Israel's defense Minister came out today against the proposed judicial reforms as well and said it hurts Israel's national security. This makes four Likud members who have publicly criticized it, meaning if everyone else votes on party lines, they don't have a majority anymore. This is a big deal!

>And who started mass expulsion of the population?

Maybe the Palestinians of Hebron in 1929?

>The expulsion of the arabs happened in a matter of weeks the expulsion of the Jewish population happened over years.

Yeah, it happened over years partially because it happened in many countries. Country 1 expelled them one day and country 2 another.

>And unlike you i acknowledge that uprooting people based on their ethnicity is wrong

I also acknowledge that. That's why I said in my previous comment that the same thing happened. Hence drawing the connection between to two.

Jews lived there but kept being colonized by various empires. In 70CE the Romans came and destroyed the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem and sent most Jews into the Diaspora. About 60 years later the Jews tried to revolt again against the Romans in Israel (what they had renamed Phalestina after the ancient Israelite's enemy the Philistines). The Jews end up all over the Roman empire, Middle East and Northern Africa. About 500 years later, Islam is founded by Muhammad and the Islamic empire conquers all of the middle east, northern Africa, Spain and parts of eastern Europe. They treat the Jews as second class citizens, but better than the European Jews are treated where they face pogroms and expulsions. In the 11th century, the Christians start the crusades and want to make the Holy Land Christian. Meaning they not only fight the Muslims there, but also the Jews who remained. This goes back and forth between the Christians and the Islamic empires (none of whom are actually from the Levant) until the Ottomans come and take it. The ottomans held Israel up until they lost World War I when it falls into British hands. The Brits promised both the Jews and the Arabs in the region their own national homeland (some extremists will say that Jordan is what they promised for the Arabs of the region). After WWII, it becomes all more evident that the Jews need a national homeland and on 29 November 1947, the UN votes to partition the land between the Jews and Arabs. Just before the British leave, Israel declares independence in the borders it was granted by the UN. Arab armies from Jordan, Syria, Egypt, and Iraq invade Israel, but dispite heavy losses, Israel won and took a little more territory than they were granted by the UN because it proved these borders were indefensible. Along the way in the war, Israel exppeled and killed many Palestinians. A lot, but not all, of this was done by Jewish paramilitary groups that did not end up officially becoming part of the IDF. Eventually, a ceasefire line was drawn, called the Green Line, which people think is the border of Palestine, but in reality it was governed by Jordan and Egypt. In 1967, Egypt blocked the straights of Tiran, blocking Israeli ships from access to the Indian Ocean, a declaration of war. Israel took over the Sinai, Gaza, West Bank Goaln Heights, and the eastern part of Jerusalem in the process of the war. The Sinai was exchanged with Egypt about 10 years later in exchange for peace and eventually Jordan relinquished claim over the West Bank and made peace with Israel as well in exchange for a water sharing agreement. The Golan Heights (not historically part of the same region, but contiguous nonetheless) was offered in exchange for peace with Syria, but was turned down. Before the foundation of the State of Israel, there were Jews who lived in most of these areas and had to move because of the war. Most of these Jews move back starting the first "settlements". Over time these settlements get bigger and bigger and others form as well. Bigger issues happen in places like Eastern Jerusalem where formerly Jewish homes had Palestinians move in under Jordanian rule, leading to issues we still deal with today like in Sheikh Jarah. Over time these settlements draw in more and more extremists who want all of the land to be Israel permanently. Meanwhile Palestinian leaders in the land react with incitement to terror, which leads to two intafadas and many terror attacks. These Jewish extremists respond with what are called "price tag" attacks in reaction to Palestinian attacks, just worsening the cycle of violence. In the mid 1990s, the Oslo accords are signed giving Palestinians a government, splitting the West Bank into three sections with varying degrees of autonomy. This led not only to terror from the Palestinian side, but also from the Jewish side who saw it as giving in to the Palestinian and culminated with the assassination of the Israeli prime Minister and the rise of Benjamin Netanyahu. In 2005, Israel withdrew from Gaza and took all the settlers out. The Palestinians in Gaza in turn elected Hamas to represent them as a government which resulted in Israel's blockade on them. They begin to send rockets into Israel on a semi-regular basis. Sometimes it is met with a response, sometimes not.

And this is more or less where we stand today. I hope I gave you some perspective.

Because the same thing happened to the Jews in Arab countries maybe? For example, how many Jews were in Iraq in 1947? 156,000. How many today? 3.

>Just stop settling in the West Bank!

If it means anything, there have been very very few new settlements in the past years. Nearly all of the building (that was done legally) was done in and around existing settlements.

>If there's an illegal settlement, kick them out!

In 2005, at the same time that Israel kicked out all of the settlers from Gaza, they evacuated several settlements in Northern Samaria, but the military stayed. And what did Israel get? One of the most lawless areas where terrorists freely walk around with assault rifles and people are such extremists that German tourists going through get attacked because they have Israeli license plates. Even just taking the settlers out doesn't solve any problems or make the situation any better.

Not to mention he called himself openly a "fascist homophobe" and said that his voters knowingly voted for him for that.

This time it isn't Palestinian propaganda. It did actually happen. Open up the news, even the Israeli news and you will see.

Don't know why you are getting down voted. It is true. Some people will never admit it when "their side" does wrong. This is one of those times for me. I sat in front of the news last night here is Israel horrified at what was going on.

I posted this before any riots started there. The settlers started riots and burning down buildings in Hwara and should be punished to the fullest extant of the law and put behind bars. Did not know that more news developing meant I'm biased.

Just saying, I posted this before any riots started. I'm horrified by the riots and the settlers should be punished to the fullest extent of the law.

Kill the soldiers, not the civilians.

And that warrents their murder? What is one democracy that punishes illegal building with vigilante murder?

>The settlers are the one who built their towns and the highways

Yes, yes. The ancient Nablus-Jerusalem road was built by settlers. You know this was an ancient road that connected Nablus to Hebron through Jerusalem and Bethlehem (and today Afula and Ramallah as well) we are talking about. Maybe settlers paved it (and I'm not even sure of that), but they certainly didn't choose the route.

The main highway goes through the town. They were stuck in traffic. They were shot at point blank and the terrorist ran off by foot. They were going to their yeshivas in Olga (about 45 minutes north of Tel Aviv) and Kiriyat Shmonah (near Lebanese border) not even in the West Bank.

If you don't like Jews driving through, don't build your village on the main highway.

>just completed his service in the Israeli Navy

Emphasis added. Learn to read. He isn't a soldier anymore. That makes him a civilian like anyone else.

>they’re almost always branded as terrorists

Because, at least since the beginning of the year, they were almost always members of terror groups.

>deserving of it by being in close proximity to militants regardless of who they are.

These are the people my heart goes out too as well. They don't choose who lives next to them or what is done next door and yet get caught in the crossfire anyways. But the alternative is to let terror groups go without threat. Of course it is sad there are civilian casulaties, but the IDF tries to minimize them and succeedes in recent years compared to other armies (obviously there are some, but at least less)

>The brothers were residents of the Har Bracha settlement

Read: living in the wrong area as a Jew is justification for your murder. Yes, I know the settlements are illegal, but where has anyone decided the punishment on the individual is death?

How would the world feel if every time a Palestinian illegally built a structure, Israel kills them? Seems pretty disproportionate, doesn't it?

>had just completed his service in the Israeli Navy

Read: is now a civilian and served in a relatively low-conflict unit when it comes to the Israeli Palestinian conflict.

>65 Palestinians murdered in Israeli terror shootings in West Bank since the beginning of the year.

And how many were militants actively shooting at soldiers? A vast majority of them.

Maybe don't support terrorists and people will behave less like assholes. No negotiations should be needed not to kill civilians.

One side call to have Jew-free zones, the other calls to kill terrorists. One side calls to wipe Israel off the map by throwing them all into the Mediterranean the other calls for everyone to live together in one state. One side throws their terrorists in jail, the other side pays them generous salaries. Palestinians need to work on themselves before Israel can totally get behind negotiations from a unified front, for now all you got is the left who think it's worth it to sit down for negotiations even though they know deep down nothing is going to happen from them these days anyways.

As pro-Israel as I am, this minister said, and this is an exact quote "my voters know that I am a fascist homophobe"

Ramadan almost always bring more tension between Israeli and Palestinians. Last year with with a Bennet-Lapid government, we saw a much quester than usual Ramadan. We'll see what is going to happen this year, but National Security minister Itamar Ben Gvir already announced he plans on making fireworks illegal (a usual Ramadan celebration especially towards the end and Eid al Fitr) meaning that he is opening the door to tons of arrests of Arabs. Meanwhile next week is the Jewish holiday of Purim, when Jews also often like to light off fireworks. And I can guarantee you that no Jews will be arrested for this either.

Don't worry, Ramadan starts in around a month and that's what Bibi is counting on.

>Every day minimum one Palestinian gets killed by either settlers or the military.

Very far from true. Even the far-left Be'Tzelem organization sites the number at less than 150.

https://www.btselem.org/press_releases/20230108_the_occupied_territories_in_2022_largest_number_of_palestinians_killed_by_israel_in_the_west_bank_since_2004#:~:text=In%20the%20West%20Bank%20(including,eldest%20was%2078%20years%20old.

This is all I have and it's in Hebrew, sorry:

https://mobile.srugim.co.il/article/746605

Many moderate Israeli Jews thought about it, but there was a push to actually stay in order to vote them out in the next elections. If you move out of Israel, you don't get to vote anymore (unless your a diplomat). Meanwhile I saw yesterday that hundreds of Hareidim in Israel were looking to form a new Jewish community in Cyprus and move away due to high costs of living in Israel, and the short distance to Cyprus with frequent and cheap flights back.