vladimirraul
vladimirraul t1_j5vzcoe wrote
Reply to comment by mpsed in Spain calls second emergency meeting over murders of six more women by misana123
OK, I apprciate your analogy, but it's not a question of logic, but your underlying assumptions. Your premise is that humans are just like lions. So be it! Then let's not even have a society then, let's not have laws, let's not have equality between the sexes.....I'm a let someone else take over, because my palm has now completely covered my face, and I have nothing further to say.
vladimirraul t1_j5vr7e1 wrote
Reply to comment by Effycat3000 in Spain calls second emergency meeting over murders of six more women by misana123
Well, that sounds similar to when people ask about 'reverse racism'. To say that gender is socially constructed (and go ahead and shoot me down for being 'woke', but Simone de Beauvoir came up with this many decades ago....), just like that racism is 'systemic' means it's built into our societal values, and also built in to the way behaviors/actions such as domestic violence/murder are punished (or not - see Russia or conservative Islamic societies). So that doesn' t mean roles can' t be reversed, it just means that most of the time, for reasons pertaining to these values and the fact that the majority of people adhere to them unconsciously, the roles are not reversed. Femicide is a thing because in the vast majority of cases it is women being murdered by their partner/ex-partner, not men. And this is the case because this thing called sexism exists, where one sex is being opressed by the other thanks to a complex and historically robust system of values (beliefs/accepted behaviors). That doesn't exclude nor is it contradicted by the fact that there may be cases where women kill men! Does this help at all?
vladimirraul t1_j5vg1tw wrote
Reply to comment by rogue_potato420 in Spain calls second emergency meeting over murders of six more women by misana123
Feeling OK about murdering them might well be though - keep in mind sexism is not always strictly about individual, consciously held beliefs but social mores, what society as a whole thinks is ok or not ok. Think about honor killings for example - it's never the guy that is killed! And even in so-called Western societies such as Spain or France, how often do women kill or beat their male partners? Not saying it doesn't happen at all mind you. There are reasons for this that have to do with values, and that is where sexism often silently resides.
vladimirraul t1_j5uvf4a wrote
Reply to comment by Reselects420 in Spain calls second emergency meeting over murders of six more women by misana123
Do you really think those two things can be separated? I mean other than by using different words.
vladimirraul t1_j5uujr6 wrote
Reply to comment by Reselects420 in Spain calls second emergency meeting over murders of six more women by misana123
Gender-based violence occurs usually when the man believes the woman has done something that a woman, precisely, is not supposed to do, based on his beliefs about how women, precisely, should behave. Hence sexist.
vladimirraul t1_j5x0lni wrote
Reply to comment by mpsed in Spain calls second emergency meeting over murders of six more women by misana123
You are clearly a master debater.. But our belief systems are very different, and I’m not interested in trying to convince you. Take the ‘win’ my friend!