>I appreciate long and thoughtful replies, even though I may not agree with them. But you are basically saying "free the germs, don't bother with vaccinations" because of detrimental effects of dealing with it, because its fruitless to try, and doing so makes you a pawn of big gov propaganda. And, mostly, because you don't like anyone telling you what you should or need to do. Maybe you should try NH, or AZ, or ID for more sympathetic audiences.

Nice try putting words in my mouth. See look I can do it too. You are basically saying "if you don't wear a mask I think you are a second grade citizen that deserves every bit of contempt and I will take joy in mocking your death." See not very nice is it? Don't conflate being confronted with inconvenient detrimental effects of masking/pandemic response with calling for sneezing into people's faces.

But look at you, going and telling other people where they should live to be more like their kind. Ain't that cunnin. Won't you pretty please allow me to live here sir?

>You've beefed up all your talking points to reinforce why you're right and I'm wrong; why anyone recommending social protections are wrong.

Is this your way of saying you have trouble debating the points I made but your propensity to haughtiness precludes your willingness to try or be persuaded?

>Not the "the prolonged negative affects of irrational and detrimental pandemic 'response'" so much as the prolonged negative effects that people like you, disinclined to vax or mask just because 'beliefs', are exacting on the community writ large

Who is exacting what exactly? Is this a "this is a pandemic of the unvaccinated" quip? In December 2022? Are you sure?

>There's nothing irrational about protection though it does have its downsides. I'm no fan of big pharma, or the government FTM, still, sometimes you bite the bullet and do what's right. The CV19 vax is not immunity (yet) but mitigation, RSV has no vax, Mpox is here as are a host of other germs easily spread in our globalized planet.

There is nothing irrational with taking proactive measures for your individual health and/or expressing your ideas/opinions on best measures. That is not an invitation for coercion or bypassing informed consent. That is not a justification to exile anyone from society that does not conform to your specific ideologically motivated proactive measure regiment, no matter how much you believe your views are consensus. You make a great argument against globalisation though I guess.

>But no, you pat yourself on the back for being a 'free thinker' while 2 minutes perusing your post history, and all the negative points all your replies generate, illustrate how off the mark you are trolling for nobody's benefit but your own.

Lol

It doesn't surprise me that you are familiar with that subreddit I guess. It's a pretty dark place, having that much hate and haughtiness to be able to find joy in the deridement of others people's deaths.

It's that same attitude and sentiments that has propelled the prevalence of coercion, exploitation, and manipulation of individuals into forfeiting their own right to medical autonomy else have the quasi-consensus society exile them.

Sounds like a lot of words right? Here is a simpler way to put it. When the haughtiness that is widely exhibited in that subreddit is applied to real life, to the point that even The White House is promoting apartheid-like conditional access to society, we call that - Crimes Against Humanity.

>But even a simple surge mask will stop the envelopes from spewing if you yourself happen to have virii/germs. So, they do serve a purpose of keeping others safe(r) around you should you be infectious.

This is like going swimming with jeans on and pissing in the pool, and expecting that you are doing everyone a favor by wearing jeans because you think you are getting less piss on the people swimming around you while you also yell incoherently about the guy pissing into the pool from the diving board.

Truth is, in this analogy, everyone has been swimming through other people's piss for eons. Its literally why we evolved sophisticated immune systems. Good news though, we now have the technology for you to opt out. Grab your submarine, wear your N95 mask for durations and applications that even OSHA would have been uncomfortable with 5 years ago, and take advantage of your individual liberty to protect and manage your own health.

Don't insist that everyone else conform to your faux consensus manifested by the largest propaganda blitz we have ever witnessed/experienced.

>If you're looking for a return to 'normal' - well good luck with that. Years ahead are going to make 2020-2022 look downright appealing. Normal jumped the shark and headed south.

Are we still talking about the prolonged negative affects of irrational and detrimental pandemic response aspects like masking? Because it feels like you are about to tell me how I can't use my own electricity that I pay for because climate crisis or something.

Or is this more along the lines of Bill Gates saying "I call this Pandemic #1, wait til you see what I call Pandemic #2" except without the accompanying solicitation of products/services/philanthropic quasi-celebrity persona?

Masks are detrimental to children learning to speak and understand languages.

Masks are detrminental to unspoken communications and connections that are inherent to social human life and interaction. Don't underestimate the subtle yet important impact the occasional unexpected smile shared between two strangers has. It's hard coded into us.

Masks are detrimental to societal cohesion due to the volatile political dogmas associated with the desire to force others to conform.

Incoherent conditional masking requirements leads to things like service industry workers subconsciously becoming faceless service providers to customers instead of valid individuals working a service based job.

All but the most diligent mask wearers subject themselves to increased risk of exposure to whatever they may touch by constantly fidgeting or adjusting their masks with dirty hands.

Immune systems don't work outside of your body. The damp warm environment of the inside of a mask does not have its own immune system. Prolonged use results in your air filtering through a petri dish on both inhale and exhale.

An airborne virus like Sars Cov2 will not be restricted or effectively filtered by loose fabric weave or surgical paper mask materials. Go outside in the sun some cold morning and exhale. See that vapor? It's always there in your breath, you just can't always see the vapor condensing midair due to the cold. But guess what, that moist vapor that's always there is what airborne virus transmit by. Go exhale in the sun through your cloth mask and see how well it stops the airborne virus. Sure you catch some of the moisture on the inside of the mask. Something something filter urine through a cheesecloth and its probably safe to drink right? No. You are left with a contaminated cheese cloth and a puddle of piss.

The amount of pollution generated by the massive amounts of disposable masks made over the last couple years far surpasses the amount of pollution you prevented by sucking on cardboard straws.

Taking a brief step away from masks for a moment, let us consider that pandemic response actions led to record increases in homicide rates, suicide rates, homelessness, mental health crisis, widespread deferred preventative and/or elective healthcare, severe distrust of various institutions, an erosion of individual liberties, an overall regression of morality and ethics, and a large uptick in overall non-covid all-cause mortality.

This thread and comments are absolutely wild.

Turns out a couple years of getting blasted by propaganda leads to a LOT of cognitive dissonance, who knew?

The main narrative being flipped right now with everyone piling on support for the Chinese COVID protestors must be absolutely surreal to some of y'all.

Mask this, mask that. Truth is, we have data from different places over the past couple years, and these different places took vastly different approaches to how they handle public health mandates and whatnot. Pretty much everywhere is trending towards less forceful measures because guess what, the collateral effects of draconian "health" policy like lockdowns, forcibly masking, forcibly medicating, etc, are overall more detrimental than the benefits they provide. Read that again if you have to. The collateral damage from draconian pandemic response is more damaging to our society than a coronavirus.

So while China does the thing all those darned conspiracy theorists said was going to happen, and the mainstream narrative tries to get you to quickly forget that they pushed that Australia and others were being proactive by building involuntary quarantine camps just a short while ago, maybe this is the opportunity to break cycle of sunken cost fallacy and re evaluate some things.

Remember how masking stopped the flu in it's tracks last year? Flu is coming back now because we arent masking, is that right? So why is it that the flu is also making a resurgence this year in Japan as they continue to diligently mask as is their cultural custom?

What do you mean?

Go bicker somewhere else. In this thread we are proclaiming our lack of respect for anyone we disagree with and piling on with outrageous hyperbole and hysterical narratives that should be mimicked and repeated unless your not an ally. Your kind aren't welcome here, thinking you are better than others with your privileged "saving" and ownership of things.

Look, these places of prime real estate in one of the most beautiful places in our country, owned by these degenerate racist rednecks, aren't going to put themselves on the market. Our rich overlords or maybe even the benevolent State/Federal welfare institutions could better use that real estate and beautiful coastline to put clean windmills or install multi-family housing to reduce inequities in our society.

Everything we can do to tarnish the reputations of hard working racists and rip them and their families from the lands they stole from the indigoneous peoples is worth it and valid.

Do your part and help destroy their self-proclaimed "sustainable" pillaging of our planet.

I know right?

I can't believe laborers like lobstermen have the audacity to splurge on luxuries like fancy boats and things that could make them less miserable when the oceans are warming at rapid rates and whales are dying.

They do nothing except pillage and destroy the very waters that provided food and sustenence to remote communities for hundreds of years, that must stop now! These communities are now so privileged they want to embrace their accelerated destruction of the climate and the habitats nature relies on.

Not on our watch!

They should just do what's best for everyone, except probably them of course but I'm sure there is a tiny violin somewhere, and just go back to shooting heroin or taking oxys like the degenerates they are. At least after they subject themselves and their families to the destruction of hard drugs that definitely aren't being funneled into these sorts of localities most at risk of poverty and economic hardship despite having vast amounts of natural value, beauty, and resources, maybe then they will finally forfeit their positions of privelidged destroyers of our planet and be subjected to the equity of helpless corporate servitude like the rest of us.

I don't care who owns it, the science is settled.

/s