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play_yr_part t1_jeep338 wrote

if governments were ready for this shit now and could introduce UBI in a 1/2 years time but be also able to coordinate it with corporations so that the disruption is minimal then yeah, it's possible that whatever jobs are left in x amount of years can be done as part time/gig work; though it would probably heavily rely on forthcoming updates to LLMs not being too radically different to what we have now and there are still some jobs to actually do.

I don't see all aspects of the equation working at the same time, something will go wrong, especially if we're truly at the very start of a period of exponential growth.

Gonna be a bunch of shitty years due to this, with hopefully an upside after.

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play_yr_part t1_je36aro wrote

No advice until they talk to me about it first. I will let them live the time it will take for them to see enough to want to talk to me about it in blissful ignorance. I do not have the skills to help them make hay in the meantime, and don't want to freak them out. If my SO carries on with her teaching course she'll find out soon enough anyway.

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play_yr_part t1_ja8b98b wrote

Sydney was (before the recent nerf) already hugely misaligned, and that's today. There are billions of dollars being put into LLMs and other models whilst even the programmers themselves cannot explain why these chatbots come to the conclusions they do. And it's not so much about "wanting to destroy us", it could destroy us without having any negative emotions to us whatsoever.

It's certainly something to think about, if not completely change your life based on it. I don't mind if people don't think it's going to be an issue, live your life. But there are people who have studied it extensively and know their "jack shit" who think it's very plausible.

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play_yr_part t1_ja85ucr wrote

idk because we could either be unrecognisable or extinct, it's hard to speculate. so many of the predictions made 100 or even 50 years about today were complete bunk, I'd rather not add to that in case any digital shitpost archivist (who says there won't be jobs in the future) from that time finds this and laughs at me.

But hopefully If we can miraculously keep a handle on AGI/it's untethered but benevolent that humanity and it's descendants live in different speeds. Like there being protected land/autonomous regions for native populations of colonised places, but better implemented obviously

People who want to be transhumans can do so, people who want to be "traditionally" human can lives those lives out in peace, cyborgs and robots can do their own thing, etc. And for there to be a healthy discourse whenever these separate entities meet. Kinda like everyone in their own online echo chambers but with actual respect and not hating/pitying the different being when you encounter them.

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play_yr_part t1_ja7ztc9 wrote

I'm right there with you man. I thought the same thing about it feeling like a cancer diagnosis, but am wary of using it out of these types of sub reddits as I think it'll be a little crass as most people wouldn't equate the two in their mind yet.

I resent that it's happened so early in my life when I was just getting used to living within the current framework. This has absolutely plagued my mind the last two weeks. I can't even imagine where we'll be in 6 months. If I'm not doing an activity that I'm completely engrossed in then this stuff is always near the front of my thoughts.

I've had times in my life when I've been struck with intrusive thoughts, but the unique thing about these recent developments is that it's a constant despite feeling being broadly happy with my life. Before I used to get them in the midst of moderate to severe depression. I have a partner who loves me despite my flaws and a baby who is several months old who I love spending time with while he is learning and growing. To think I he will come of age in a totally different society or not at all if there's a rogue/dispassionate AGI is absolutely wrecking my head. Idk if we'll be afforded the time to solve the issue that come with AI as we have had with climate change/other existential threats to humanity/times of huge societal upheaval.

I think that's why it's hitting me much, that the structure we had in life could be radically altered in less than a decade and the way I thought I would grow older and raise my child is disappearing before my eyes. Despite social dynamics changing ( I probably would have been a way more distant father even 20 years ago) constantly there's been nothing for a while that has completely altered the basic framework of a human life like AI has the potential to. And that's a huge, constant mindfuck even if it could be to our betterment in some ways.

I aim to live my life to the point where I'm mainly in the moment and enjoying life with loved ones and pray that the people driving progress in these fields have the sense to slow things down a little. I seriously need a break from reading about this for like a decade lol. wake me up when the singularity/apocalypse happens.

You have to hedge a little bit though in terms of what to expect in the future. Not saying you shouldn't enjoy your life but at least put some of your money in some mid term investments/savings accounts and don't completely quit your job, or if you do try to find an income stream that allows you to dip in and out of it. We don't know how people across the world will react to more AI entrenchment and the disruption it will cause. As much as I think most people will end up like the people in Wall E, it's not enough of a sure thing to completely throw out any plans for the future, just most of them.

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play_yr_part t1_ja7awyd wrote

bruh

there's got to be an art tutorial or something on youtube that could teach you how to draw more than stickmen that you could watch for half an hour to an hour a day instead of tinkering with AI art in the same timeframe

Maybe your kid will grow up having no distinction between something that is made by an AI or a human, maybe they will appreciate something that is hand drawn over something that took little to no effort to prompt and edit.

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play_yr_part t1_ja5ly4s wrote

This point is exactly why I'm so wary of AI being used a crutch in rapid time rather than a tool for gradual improvement. I'm very sceptical of the benefit of this new paradigm we're about to be ushered into, and that's not even thinking about the possibility of a rogue AI/Paperclip maximiser.

Gen Z are the most depressed generation, despite having free/cheap access to the collective cultural output of humanity , more freedom to love who they want and choose what path they want in life than ever before, better working conditions than in all of human history, the cleanest air since before the industrial revolution. Yet vast swathes of gen z and other generations are fucking miserable because the medium that is supposed to make us better connected is making us more atomised and lonely and fearful.

That's suddenly going to change for the better when most jobs have been eliminated? We're all going to live fulfilled lifes and go jet skiing and have peace and harmony when our government and/or benevolent AI overlord pays us our NEETbux?

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play_yr_part t1_j9yabbe wrote

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I think it's possible that a narrow AI or a proto AGI could fuck something up to the point where there is serious pressure across the world to halt AI progress. For how long that would be I'm not sure and there would no doubt still be clandestine efforts even with a world wide clampdown. Hopefully enough to buy some time and enough to live a life resembling now for a while longer.

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play_yr_part t1_j9wjphf wrote

this. IDK the timeframe for completely autonomous self driving as it seems to have been "within a decade" for like a decade now lol w but with Tesla's self driving at least, recent updates have sometimes been one step forward two steps back.

Entirely possible another car maker's version could change that in a flash though.

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play_yr_part t1_j9w0cbl wrote

This post sums up perfectly how I feel about "The internet of things" and "smart" tech etc.

I'm not against technology like that improving our lives and automating chores but so much of the stuff that's come out recently is so fucking annoying if it goes wrong or has the potential of a short life span if the product is no longer supported.

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play_yr_part t1_j9o52u4 wrote

idk. the pace of developments in just these last two months, never mind the last two or three years has been insane. I really hope they calm down a bit and we can take stock a bit more, but it's hard to see that with all the money being put in right now. when do people see this stuff hitting a wall, because I think the short term developments are only going to keep coming

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play_yr_part t1_j9bi4wq wrote

Maybe I'm missing something, but I think the only hope for growth is in physical jobs/ or jobs where person to person interaction is important enough where robotics is not advanced or economically viable enough to replicate that job yet.

You're going to have to be more creative than the article to come up with ideas for jobs that could replace the vast amounts of white collar workers that will be made redundant after the next few versions of ChatGPT.

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play_yr_part t1_j8y9zcf wrote

hopefully our generations concorde. Amazing, a step back technically it being retired, but probably for the best it's no longer an option

Who am I kidding, a rejigged Sydney or a similar competitor will be out within 6 months.

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