moeburn

moeburn t1_j5hii68 wrote

> Canada’s laws haven’t helped it avoid egg price fluctuations,

That's exactly what they do.

>Canada had just been lucky enough to avoid significant bird flu before 2022

Right... the bird flu epidemic causing steep increase in egg prices in US and UK and elsewhere was in 2022. Hence the prices today, in 2023. We were all affected by it, but your country is seeing more expensive price increases because of it than mine because of a different policy.

>in Toronto the average price is $4.45.

I don't know where you got that number, but that's okay, because I got my own numbers, and they're both in the same currency, $USD:

https://i.imgur.com/arliV75.png (https://www.expatistan.com/price/eggs/toronto/USD)

https://i.imgur.com/5W0sJt0.png (https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/APU0000708111)

So people in Toronto are paying 3/4 what people in major US cities are paying for a dozen eggs.

Especially weird considering almost everything is almost always more expensive in Canada due to our smaller population and lack of economies of scale.

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moeburn t1_j5hbd8m wrote

> to be extremely wasteful

It's actually less wasteful this way. Your American farmers are still dumping all their excess milk when they can't sell it, they just don't have any government intervention to protect them when it all goes tits up, so they either produce even more to try and make more money (which gets dumped), or they go bankrupt and get bought up and consolidated by billionaires.

>Farmers with perishable products such as milk were at the mercy of processors who knew they could pressure farmers into accepting lower prices because the alternative was a spoiled product worth nothing. If individual farmers each tried to compensate for low prices by producing more, the result was a market glut which further depressed prices. Often the solution was to dump the excess milk, wasting it. Processors could threaten to refuse delivery and lower prices by encouraging competition among producers, allowing the price to be set by the most desperate farmer. Consumers were subject to price volatility, erratic supplies and seasonal shortages. Furthermore, it was difficult to ensure consistent quality when farmers could not rely on a fair return for their efforts and investment.

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moeburn t1_j5gg8zi wrote

No because we're a smaller country with fewer people and fewer chickens :/

These arguments never make any sense. Compare Canada to any individual state with around 30 million people then, like California.

The point is the supply management system. It's this weird semi-socialism thing where the government tells the industry of some life-essential product to always make more than people will actually buy, they mandate production quotas on them. And then the government pays them for all the extra that they don't sell, so that it doesn't actually burden the producers and make the industry collapse. That way one bad year when there's an avian flu outbreak or a baby formula factory contamination, there's still enough surplus to make up the difference and the prices/availability don't change at all, because you made sure the industry was always making enough to cover it.

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moeburn t1_j5gfecc wrote

No but when they were always producing 20% more than Canadians ever bought, and the avian flu problem results in a loss of 19% of your eggs, you still have a surplus, and prices don't change. That's the point. The government says "please make all this extra food every year, don't worry we will pay for it if nobody wants it. We just want it to be available in case there's a shortage one year."

The American government instead says "here's $100,000, please make food with it". And you hope that they vote to increase or decreases that amount as farmers need it.

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moeburn t1_j5g0hs4 wrote

Yes like eggs. We don't have the increased prices in Canada because we have supply management for eggs.

That's where we compel all egg producers to make X amount of eggs, whether people actually want to buy them or not. And if people don't buy them, the government buys them instead.

So all the egg producers are always producing the same number of eggs regardless of demand, and they're always making the same amount of money.

End result is we were paying slightly more than you guys during times of plenty, and now we're paying way way less than you guys ($2 CAD/doz here in Ontario) during times of scarcity.

Your government was about to do that with baby formula, and then voted against it.

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moeburn t1_itlcgve wrote

> I am honestly so amazed that we cling to the vestiges of a liberal democracy and pretend we don't notice how every single politician is either insanely weathly or becomes such after a little while in office

It's a FPTP democracy, the least democratic of democracies.

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moeburn t1_isyi129 wrote

> "kanye saying what everyone wants to say".

Bro I don't even encounter visibly Jewish people in my day to day life. Like I think the last time I saw a person who was obviously Jewish, because of the curly hair things, was like 10 years ago. And I live in a major city.

You really can't develop a hatred for Jews without consuming mountains of hateful propaganda. There is no "what everyone wants to say" I legit do not give one fuck or another about someone's Jewish heritage. People need to learn to use their eyes more often.

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