mementoTeHominemEsse
mementoTeHominemEsse t1_iyn41yj wrote
Reply to comment by Council-Member-13 in Selflessness and altruistic deeds are often signs of weakness or a lack of belief in one’s self and one’s own goals | Guy Elgat explores Nietzsche’s critique of selflessness by IAI_Admin
Again, selflessness in the way you're conceptualizing it is not only not the selflessness the article or the common person talks about, it literally doesn't exist.
mementoTeHominemEsse t1_iymyq7k wrote
Reply to comment by Council-Member-13 in Selflessness and altruistic deeds are often signs of weakness or a lack of belief in one’s self and one’s own goals | Guy Elgat explores Nietzsche’s critique of selflessness by IAI_Admin
Selflessness in the perfect philosophical sense your conceptualizing it doesn't exist. Everything we do has a selfish motive.
Selflessness however in the sense the article is talking about and we talk about in day to day life is simply acting in a way that grants you no non-moral benefits. If someone gives a beggar money an upon being asked why claim they simply wanted to see the beggar smile, we will still call that selflessness. That's simply the way the word has been embedded in our language.
mementoTeHominemEsse t1_iymxmd1 wrote
Reply to comment by draliene in Selflessness and altruistic deeds are often signs of weakness or a lack of belief in one’s self and one’s own goals | Guy Elgat explores Nietzsche’s critique of selflessness by IAI_Admin
>You do go through more amount of pain/suffering/labour being altruistic anyways.
I'd argue that while in the long term this is true, in the short term it's often actually the easier choice, and chasing instant gratification is a sign of weakness. An example may be giving money to a beggar, even though you know it will likely go to waste. It's easier to give him the money than just walk past him. However, long term, we might know we need the money ourselves, and even if we didn't, giving it to charity would have been the better cause.
Alternatively, we might be seeking the approval of others. Or perhaps, because we lack actual power, we try place ourselves above others in an imaginary moral hierarchy by telling ourselves we're better people than them because we're more altruistic.
That isn't to say you should completely abandon altruism, or that all, or even most altruism stems from weakness, but we should at least be more aware of what is really driving us. Because altruism is praised by society, we often let our true motives for altruistic action unchecked.
Sorry for being such an edgelord btw, lol.
mementoTeHominemEsse t1_iymvd38 wrote
Reply to comment by TheMightyBattleSquid in Selflessness and altruistic deeds are often signs of weakness or a lack of belief in one’s self and one’s own goals | Guy Elgat explores Nietzsche’s critique of selflessness by IAI_Admin
It's not my job to bring counter-examples when they haven't even tried to prove or argue for their point. But one example may be seeking validation, or thinking tbose traits are a moral virtue.
mementoTeHominemEsse t1_iympsgn wrote
Reply to comment by draliene in Selflessness and altruistic deeds are often signs of weakness or a lack of belief in one’s self and one’s own goals | Guy Elgat explores Nietzsche’s critique of selflessness by IAI_Admin
>Well selflessness and altruism come from a deep feeling of empathy
Not necessarily. Claiming all (or even most) selflessness and altruism stem from empathy is reductionsist.
mementoTeHominemEsse t1_iwvy1te wrote
Reply to comment by Newtothiz in For world philosophy day 13 thinkers share the philosophical questions that will define this century | Including Noam Chomsky on destruction, Naomi Oreskes on climate crisis and Carissa Veliz on innovation by IAI_Admin
He's not asking for a source as in argumentation; he's asking you to back up the claim that most philosophers agree that IQ is not a good measure of intelligence.
mementoTeHominemEsse t1_iwv0al0 wrote
Reply to comment by Lammetje98 in For world philosophy day 13 thinkers share the philosophical questions that will define this century | Including Noam Chomsky on destruction, Naomi Oreskes on climate crisis and Carissa Veliz on innovation by IAI_Admin
IQ tests test the essence of most mental abilities though. Given people grew up in roughly similar environments, IQ is very valid as a measure of intelligence.
mementoTeHominemEsse t1_iwv01a3 wrote
Reply to comment by creditnewb123 in For world philosophy day 13 thinkers share the philosophical questions that will define this century | Including Noam Chomsky on destruction, Naomi Oreskes on climate crisis and Carissa Veliz on innovation by IAI_Admin
No matter your precise definition of intelligence, I assume you, and anyone for that matter, defines it as an array of mental abilities. What mental abilities exactly you think form intelligence isn't that relevant, because IQ tests test the essence of pretty much all mental abilities.
mementoTeHominemEsse t1_iwuz612 wrote
Reply to comment by Newtothiz in For world philosophy day 13 thinkers share the philosophical questions that will define this century | Including Noam Chomsky on destruction, Naomi Oreskes on climate crisis and Carissa Veliz on innovation by IAI_Admin
They lay the ground work of all disciplines. And if philosophers were to criticise the ground work, or the "roots", of IQ (statistical psychology) that would be one thing. However just as a physicists opinion on black holes carries more weight than the opinion of a philosopher, the same goes for IQ.
mementoTeHominemEsse t1_iwusji8 wrote
Reply to comment by Newtothiz in For world philosophy day 13 thinkers share the philosophical questions that will define this century | Including Noam Chomsky on destruction, Naomi Oreskes on climate crisis and Carissa Veliz on innovation by IAI_Admin
Whereas most psychologists don't. Not entirely sure why what philosophers think in that regard is relevant.
mementoTeHominemEsse t1_iyn4j4o wrote
Reply to comment by draliene in Selflessness and altruistic deeds are often signs of weakness or a lack of belief in one’s self and one’s own goals | Guy Elgat explores Nietzsche’s critique of selflessness by IAI_Admin
Selflessness in the perfect philosophical sense your conceptualizing it doesn't exist. Everything we do has a selfish motive.
Selflessness however in the sense the article is talking about and we
talk about in day to day life is simply acting in a way that grants you
no non-moral benefits. If someone gives a beggar money an upon being asked why claim they simply wanted to see the beggar smile, we will still call that selflessness. That's simply the way the word has been embedded in our language.