medsmthng
medsmthng OP t1_jaakrxv wrote
Reply to comment by Timely-Huckleberry73 in There's a book for every problem. If only people would read! by medsmthng
I think you would like some of Schopenhauer's work... said to be painted with something I could, borrowing, call "cheerful" pessimism...
Also, disagreeing with a saying of a stoic doesn't mean the philosophy in general is wrong...
and I don't they promise you'll live a eudaemonic life... instead, I believe they advise one to be "cautious" and to lower their expectations and expect the worst, as not to be so shocked, when the bad things happen... but also, it's not like they encourage inactivity! No, they encourage one to do what he can, what he can control, and to not postpone things, and to have the courage to do what you should do, so as to live life not burdened by the consequences of the opposite of that...
and, Man, from what you mentioned, I couldn't but say, like they say, I feel for you! and for the people who commented... I hope you the best!
and also for who wouldn't read the books I suggested, It gives me the feeling that made me write the post! When people reject what would help them!
medsmthng OP t1_jaaherv wrote
Reply to comment by campionmusic51 in There's a book for every problem. If only people would read! by medsmthng
I see it is taken too literally/with no exception, and taken beyond what it is meant for... Human understanding tends to do so... !
medsmthng OP t1_jaafoj7 wrote
Reply to comment by Amphy64 in There's a book for every problem. If only people would read! by medsmthng
Seneca, the stoic philosopher is "somewhat" with the idea of suicide, although I disagree with him... and he suffered from serious illness too. Epictetus was disabled and a slave... but they encouraged living a "good" life, for everybody, a life without additional unnecessary suffering
and what you said in the first paragraph is not how they put it... and I couldn't do their philosophy justice by my wording, especially here... They do!
As you read those opinions, it would benefit you to check out stoic literature extensively, and yes, even from the Roman emperor... It's not only me who says so, but many people from all sorts... including the disabled/chronically ill throughout history...
It's something good for you, if you want it!
medsmthng OP t1_jaaagyo wrote
Reply to comment by Timely-Huckleberry73 in There's a book for every problem. If only people would read! by medsmthng
An objection to the teachings of stoicism! Not a sound one though!
I don't recall reading something in Epictetus work formed like the exaggeration you put together, an exaggeration aimed at making the advice/notions look ridiculous, maybe stemming from misunderstanding the teachings...
Let's go with the example of the people who suffer the most in this world... How are the teachings of stoicism not beneficial for them to go through life... How would they be offended of something beneficial to them and for the peace of their minds... What do you suggest otherwise in that aspect?! Whatever it is, you'll probably find stoics have mentioned... Heck, you would find some of those people, the ones who want and do live life, living with those teachings/ideas without ever hearing about the word stoicism... Or do you suggest they kill themselves because of their suffering?!
I could address this more and more, but, Let's not... !
medsmthng OP t1_jaa1fny wrote
Reply to comment by Indifferent_Jackdaw in There's a book for every problem. If only people would read! by medsmthng
Reading the books doesn't resolve one from the fact that they have to practice and put what they read into action... otherwise it's useless... You're disagreeing with something I didn't say!
medsmthng OP t1_jacvvay wrote
Reply to comment by Pipe-International in There's a book for every problem. If only people would read! by medsmthng
Using labels! and false ones at that! Do you know how many labels apply to what you said...
Learn and try to address ideas as they are, with sound reasoning. Which seems you're failing to do here... Not just you!