krashlia

krashlia t1_j8yrl1k wrote

I remember more conservative and bumpkin types were worried about this, and their concerns were dismissed as something almost hysterical. And only after it was shot down was it okay for everyone to be upset about a spy vehicle above us and over US territory.

A ton of people in this country *suck* when it comes to the concept of security. They seem to believe perceiving a threat from afar is more of a problem than the fact that a threat exists.

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krashlia t1_j8ipka8 wrote

"Things can change in 200+ years."

Well, its too bad that this thing didn't change in your favor. (Also, Slavery? Voting Rights? Those were charactarized by a legalized rights deprivation, not by formally recognized criminals screwing things up for everyone)

Sorry, the gun lobby exists because the demand for guns is rather high, not because congress is so sweet on them. And its gotten higher across all demographics since 2020.

Btw, I remember being told the Republicans would support bans if they saw Black people getting more guns. But thats failed to materialize.

Now, we could look into why people aren't disarming, but... Nah, contempt for the population, or just assuming Australia and the US are alike, is easier.

"Let me guess your solution. More guns? Officers in schools?"

Just because Uvalde screwed up, doesn't mean its a bad idea, under circumstances where they're not being led by an idiot. As evidenced by the fact that one guy killed the shooter because he wasnt being hobbled by some moron chief.

Anyways... How about 10 year sentences for any violation, hole punches in drivers licenses, and system meant to catch out liars and proxy buyers before they can become trouble?

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krashlia t1_j8imrqu wrote

You trivialize the Law of the Nation a bit too much, by assuming its silly due to being long lived or old.

I suppose lots of things are irrelevant and foolish because they're old, but thats not a game anyone wants to play.

Remember, "these guys a couple hundred years ago said..." You're free to speak without being arrested, Cops shouldn't have the right to just take your stuff, that you shouldn't be imprisoned and sentenced without a trial nor forced to incriminate yourself in a criminal trial nor go without a defensive attorney, and that its possible for later amendments to be drafted and ratified. And what "these guys a couple hundred years ago said..." Is the current foundation of most of the rights you currently enjoy (or complain about the government abusing).

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krashlia t1_j8ikp2a wrote

"How about the time Australia banned guns after a mass shooting? They never had another after"

Shootings in Austrailia were on a decline when that law was passed. But, even then, they've had a few, actually.

Also, the former British colony just didn't have the same style of government or gun rights the US does, so doesn't face the same complication. Not that much of the US would allow it, even if the government was structured differently.

"But in America where we have 1 mass shooting a day on average?"

And you'll never get around to solving for that, because you're largely ignorant to how which guns get into what mass shooters hands in the first place.

I doubt one even knows what the average mass shooting looks like, and simply lazily imagines its Fat Cletus getting his AR-15 today, so he could use it on the local school tomorrow. I was surprised to discover that this wasn't true.

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krashlia t1_j8icaso wrote

"So, these people should be mourned less because it was a handgun vs an AR?"

Thats not what I said.

What I was saying was, that the causes of their deaths -- the gun involved and how the shooter got it -- might not be easy to figure out and solve. And preventing future murders like those might not be as simple as "pass law for less guns" or "its The gun lobby's problem".

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krashlia t1_j40u4oz wrote

Its like the coronavirus, when the pandemic started. Each and everytime someone reported that "a case" appeared, I was certain that there were actually 10 more than that. Once a virus shows up in a population, you'll only notice some people showing symptoms within a certain amount of time, while others simply haven't displayed signs of infection yet.

At some point, Containment of the disease can only go so far, unless you're willing to use ever more force to keep people in place (since they'll characteristically refuse to do what they're told), or just straight-up kill them to save the rest of the population.

But, people aren't chickens.

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