johnpseudo
johnpseudo t1_j5tzkj4 wrote
Reply to comment by cybercuzco in Solar powered hydrogen facility being built in California by ForHidingSquirrels
Batteries are only more "efficient" than hydrogen when their duty cycle is relatively high. For seasonal balancing (with a duty cycle of ~1/year), hydrogen is significantly cheaper because of the lower storage costs.
For example this study:
>For storage durations longer than approximately 36 h, technologies with very low storage costs, such as geologic hydrogen storage and natural gas with CCS, offer the least-cost options for LDES and low-emission power generation capacity.
>These results share some similarities with those of previous studies while also offering unique insights. Schmidt et al.11 similarly demonstrated that hydrogen storage and CAES have the lowest costs for seasonal storage in the near term, with hydrogen becoming the least-cost technology for seasonal storage in the future. The present analysis, however, introduces a lower-cost HDV-PEM fuel cell system compared with the stationary fuel cell system considered in Schmidt et al.11 The HDV-PEM system in this analysis provides both a lower power capital cost by using the HDV-PEM fuel cell as well as a lower energy storage capital cost by using a salt cavern. These cost reductions are slightly offset by the lower capacity factor modeled for HDV-PEM systems because of their lower round-trip efficiency, but the results still indicate that HDV-PEM|Salt systems achieve the lowest LCOE at durations as low as 36 h in the future scenario, much lower than the duration estimated by Schmidt et al.11 when including all technologies.
johnpseudo t1_j0bgyrq wrote
Reply to comment by Ok-disaster2022 in Fusion energy breakthrough and national security implications explained by TheScienceAdvocate
johnpseudo t1_is680mg wrote
Reply to comment by thoruen in UK to build first grid connected Fusion Power plant by noelcowardspeaksout
It's not going to revolutionize the world. Best case scenario, it will be a somewhat less expensive version of fission with better long-term safety features.
What people should be excited about is the killer combo of solar/wind/batteries/hydrogen. Current retail costs for electricity are ~$130/MWh and they're now projecting $5/MWh with an 80% renewable grid (source) and just $39/MWh with a 100% renewable grid (source) by 2050.
johnpseudo t1_ira1goa wrote
Reply to comment by lungben81 in Many scientists see fusion as the future of energy – and they're betting big. by filosoful
Fusion is not likely to be cheap, even with sufficient research funding, and even in 10-30 years when the next generation of prototypes are ready.
johnpseudo t1_j5uids4 wrote
Reply to comment by cybercuzco in Solar powered hydrogen facility being built in California by ForHidingSquirrels
Obviously it'll depend a lot on location and availability of long-distance transmission.