jesusrambo

jesusrambo t1_j8laua9 wrote

I can’t, and I’m not making any claims about the presence or lack of intelligence.

You are making a claim: “Language models do not have intelligence.” I am asking you to make that claim concrete, and provide substantive evidence.

You are unable to do that, so you refuse to answer the question.

I could claim “this cup of water does not contain rocks.” I could then measure the presence or absence of rocks in the cup, maybe by looking at the elemental composition of its contents and looking for iron or silica.

As a scientist, you would understand that to make a claim, either negative or positive, you must provide evidence for it. Otherwise, you would say “we cannot make a claim about this without further information,” which is OK.

Is a linear regression intelligent? I don’t know, that’s an ill-posed question because you refuse to define how we can quantify intelligence.

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jesusrambo t1_j8l6y32 wrote

If you can justify your perspective, and you’re interested in discussing it, I would love to hear it. I find this topic really interesting, and I’ve formally studied both philosophy and ML. However, so far nobody’s been able to provide an intelligent response without it devolving into, “it’s just obvious.”

Can you define what you mean by intelligence, how we can recognize and quantify it, and therefore describe how we can identify and measure its absence in a language model?

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jesusrambo t1_j8kk7i2 wrote

Lmao, this is how you can tell this sub is populated by javascript devs and not scientists

You can’t claim it’s fundamentally incapable of that, because we don’t know what makes something capable of that or not.

We can’t prove it one way or another. So, we say “we don’t know if it is or isn’t” until we can.

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