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hfhifi t1_iyb9t6i wrote

Sorry. I have to disagree. The NYC bagel and pizza were different than they were in Europe. Legit American pizza (no pineapple ever) is not the same as it was in Naples. Legit American bagels are more doughy and crispier on the outside than the European version. And the practice of putting toppings on (salt, sesame, garlic) started in NYC. Cheesesteak absolutely started in Philly in the 1930s. It is uniquely American and has no European predecessors.

You seem to have a real chip on your shoulder about the origins of Jersey food. I’m happy that our state has improved on them. Fair Lawn Hot Bagels is often rated the best in the country. Anthony Bourdain rated Camden cheesesteak as better than Philly.

Disco fries are about the only food item that I can think of that was invented in NJ although some claim they are a version of poutine.

P.S. New Jersey would still be mostly farmland if not for those 2 cities.

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hfhifi t1_ixx7pgc wrote

OK. Paris is better than NYC in cuisine , culture and history. Hands down. Unfortunately, it is populated by Parisians who are the rudest people I’ve ever experienced in the world with the exception of Muscovites.

NYC has the 2nd best food and a much broader range of ethnic food. New York has far greater diversity. The people are way nicer than the French. You can get by in NYC if you don’t speak English whereas you can’t get the time of day in Paris if you don’t speak French. I speak high school French yet they pretend they can’t understand me.

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hfhifi t1_ixvme2a wrote

P.S. American Bagels originated from the Lower East Side by Jewish Polish immigrants. Not NJ. NY deli originated in the same place by German immigrants. Not New Jersey. The first pizzeria was in Boston going back to the 19th Century. Not New Jersey. The first pizzeria in NJ didn't open till 1912. American Chinese restaurants originated in California in the 1850s and came East a few decades later.

Please do your homework before making such statements.

However, I will agree that pizza and bagels are better in NJ than NYC. 2nd best pizza is New Haven.

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hfhifi t1_ixvfggw wrote

Not true. The number of white collar job opportunities in Manhattan dwarf NJ in law, finance, hospitality, advertising, marketing, social media and dozens more. I tried many times to find jobs in NJ in my field and never found one.

Do you think people really want to commute to NY every day if there were opportunities in NJ? I hated commuting but would have been significantly underemployed if I didn’t.

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hfhifi t1_ixvdo51 wrote

Of course. My in laws were second generation and their parents entered the US in Boston. Ironically, they moved to Edison when my father in law got an insane job offer from a large corporation in the Garment district. And Edison was a much nicer place to live in the 70s than Dorchester, Massachusetts. Still is.

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hfhifi t1_ixv6gjs wrote

Nearly all of our state looked like that before NY and Philly dwellers moved out of crowded Boroughs in search of a better quality of life. Jersey would have built up even if 95% of those people didn’t commute. My home town isn’t a big commuter town but the population is probably 4x what it was when I was born. It exploded because people fled the growing crime in Paterson and Passaic to a safer place. That had nothing to do with NYC.

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hfhifi t1_ixt2kup wrote

It’s the greatest City in the world. It’s the cultural and financial center of our country. If you are from North Jersey, NYC is in your DNA because of proximity and because your parents or grandparents came from one of the Boroughs. I was the first person on both sides of a large family to be born in NJ and not a Borough.

No NYC: no Jersey bagels, deli, Chinese food and so many other things.

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hfhifi t1_iu71hwa wrote

Safest bet would be a kosher BBQ place. I know there’s one in Teaneck. I don’t keep kosher so can’t recommend anyplace.

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