gorangutan
gorangutan t1_j7z22ks wrote
Reply to Freedom is found beyond dualism : Frithjof Bergmann’s model of freedom from a nondual perspective. by Gloomy_Scene126
Robert spirus definition of non duality etc,awareness being the basis of it,is not shared unanonimously btw.Karl Renz would describe it as deep deep sleep which you cant hold onto it.Jim newman says its just "this" that you cant describe.
Spiru usually covers the lower hanging pointers and which appeases the intellectual mind more than saying non dual message is psychic/energetic in nature..
This can also be seen in retreats where many people go into deep states and looks like they passed out.The group power amplifies the message and that happens mode than in solo practice.
But this is philosophy where things like that are ignored or downvoted to hell usually,which is a shame.
I mean it implies duality as soon as you say we are awareness.Then there are two.
He chose a hard to grasp concept..Which was actually posited by old gurus as well.Limitations of language.
It has been said multiple times non dual message is energetic in nature and guru communicates it with silence but the words are for people who are not sensitive enough for that.
People are kind of right non duality has something to do with identification though.Its been posited its with "I" which already doesnt exist so you cant disidentify with it.In practice things/emotions disolve and get disidentified and you feel lighter.
gorangutan t1_j7zfo6y wrote
Reply to comment by Gloomy_Scene126 in Freedom is found beyond dualism : Frithjof Bergmann’s model of freedom from a nondual perspective. by Gloomy_Scene126
Yeah you got a point.
The only pitfall in practice is it takes on the qualities of the word and generates stereotypical people.
"Conciousness" people become empty minded,seperate themselves from anything but pure awareness.Such a common case if you see spiritual people.
God people think of a man in the sky on certain level and play with hierarchies/guilt and punishment more.
I would posit these qualities/meanings come from collective conciousness as soon as you use those words but thats another angle.
It is ok i guess but not the best pointer in the realm of non duality.It is still good that the energetic aspect of non duality starts working though in my experience.But as we practice we let go of conciousness and awareness as well.