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future_shoes t1_j9aqwxx wrote

Exactly what? Also I don't get how she is calling someone dumb by "spoiling" the Illiad. Wouldn't it be the opposite of calling someone dumb, isn't she assuming you have some basic knowledge of the Illiad? Would she be calling someone dumb if she referenced Moby Dick by saying that someone's obsession will lead to their down fall like it did for Captain Ahab?

Also, I don't think the Illiad can really be "spoiled". The whole thing was written with the understanding that the audience already knows all the events and the outcome. It would be similar to say someone is spoiling a story about the Titanic by saying the boat sinks. Or someone referring to the story of Job when talking about a series of tragedies that befalls a character.

Edit: an additional thought. If you do intend on reading the Illiad then she actually did you a favor. Like I said the Illiad is written assuming everyone knows the outcome. This makes the Trojans and Hector an even more tragic series of figures as you know they are doomed. Homer uses this knowledge of the reader to make a better story.

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future_shoes t1_j9an56o wrote

Not to continue beating on you about The Illiad "spoiler" part but that is just a really strange thing to be upset about. Hector's death and the Trojans losing is something that is/should be safely assumed to be known by general public and is fair game as a literally reference. It's on the line with the Don Quixote fighting windmills, Dr. Jekyll being Mr. Hyde, Beowolf killing Grendel, the ending of Moby Dick, Dracula being a vampire, etc.

Also on a side note, I don't think many people actually intend to read the Illiad or Odyssey straight through, they are massive books which rely heavily on knowledge of ancient Greece and Greek mythology for you to fully understand them. Most people read excerpts in an academic setting or are familiar with the general series of events (like Hector dying and the Greeks winning) through their ubiquitousness in other more modern works.

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future_shoes t1_iw0h14g wrote

The debate impact question is an interesting one. I think in the end voters respect people who show up and the positive from that even with a very bad performance will out way the negative from refusing to debate. Only candidates in the most partisan states and districts can really get away with skipping all debates. Look at Arizona and how Hobbs, who refused to debate Lake, is running so much farther behind Kelly and the Secretary of State Dem candidate.

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future_shoes t1_iw0emf4 wrote

If true I think it would be out of fear of Fetterman losing versus deciding Lamb would be a better congressman. Or fear from people misunderstanding his medical condition after the stroke. Fetterman has a temporary disability from medical emergency. No one legitimate in the media or GOP has said that he has been effected cognitively. Even if Fetterman needs to use aids to effectively communicate the rest of his life it wouldn't impact his ability to function as a Senator.

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