Its going to be interesting to see how many of them are able to balance US trade war demands vs China trade.

Many would prefer to remain neutral in that trade war, but the US has a way of forcing a commitment to join their corporate agenda

sadly, it also shows quite how toxic the propaganda and misinformation from the West has become.

Chain is a very long way from perfect, but it certainly isn't the soulless and evil monster that western media wants to portray it as

Most Govts have also pushed the propaganda and misinformation that most suits their agenda via corporate media, social media, political media etc.

There is always misinformation that they want to spread, and misinformation they want to block.

"before rules" assumes that no rules currently exist, and hence you have a blank slate on which to build your idealized rule set.

and People clearly would not be as they are, because they currently exist within a set of rules, societal practices and pre-existing mindsets that you're choosing to completely ignore in order to build that set of rules.

> "They just need to revise their moral judgements"

Yup, they need to discard all their life experiences and societal upbringing from their entire life, discarding their current mindset and attitudes completely, in order to make the change to your new ruleset. I believe that may be semi-possible with mass brainwashing and massive propaganda campaigns, but its hardly reliable, nor achieves a consistent result across society.

People's moral judgements are based on a wide variety of things, and are specific to an individual, as shaped and molded by their circumstances, environment, upbringing, society etc.

"Revising" that in everyone in order to generate some form of conformity with your new rule set isn't a viable option by anything except force and brainwashing, because everyone's experiences are different, hence their moral attitudes are different.

indeed, however "before rules" assumes a blank slate, which is, sadly, as far from reality as one can get. It does provide an interesting academic exercise, but very little else of value.

and developing a "coherent set of rules" without a viable mechanism to move from current state, to the idealized state, is also meaningless, and ignores the reality that all societies are transitory, evolving and changing over years, decades and centuries, and your coherent set of rules rarely caters for that reality.

The best your rules can cater for is something to handle the current situation, with an acknowledgement that they need to be flexible enough to evolve and adapt as the society and situation evolves and adapts.

Your rules may, possibly, be able to provide an adaptive framework for change, but not much else.

why do they need to decide before the existence of any rules ?

Clearly thats never going to happen, any tribe, society or group is always going to have rules of some sort. There is absolutely no reason why a society can't decide on a reallocation strategy at any stage of their existence to try and make the allocation of resources more equitable (if they think they can do that without destroying their society in the process).

And, during that period, those with more will scream about being made worse off as reallocation occurs. And, compared to their previous position of wealth, that may be true, but compared to the rest of their society, is almost certainly untrue in real terms.

Yes, basic human greed has been a survival mechanism.

However now that humanity has transformed from hunter gathered tribes into a globally connected society, it has become a massive liability to that society

> At least with capitalism, everyone has a shot.

except that, exactly like communism

> those in power become corrupt and optimize around themselves.

Thats just the reality of social and economic systems. Basic human greed means there will always be people wanting to take advantage of the system to benefit themselves, and will twist and manipulate the system however they can in order to do so.

Monopolies, price fixing, buying politicians, etc

and now that much of the western world has moved from capitalism into corporatism, where the assets available to those in power are so massive that the general public have zero chance to really compete against that manipulation of the system.