fastone1911

fastone1911 t1_jaapqam wrote

My entire point is that NO ONE should be living this high consumption lifestyle, but your point is that EVERYONE should.

Your way, everyone dies. My way, everyone lives simpler lives, but at least the biosphere doesn't collapse by 2060.

Also, you don't seem to understand that even green growth is an ecological disaster. There's no point getting emissions to 0 if we've destroyed ecosystems to do it. We've totally overextended in terms of ground water, top soil, fishing stocks, novel entities, land-system change and biochemical flows. These planetary boundaries, if continuously overshot, are enough to destroy us, even if emissions go to zero and atmospheric CO2 goes back to 350ppm.

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fastone1911 t1_jaahqif wrote

I'm simply stating a fact that developing countries developing will doom the world. The US, Europe etc already living with air travel, heating/cooling, cars, meat-rich diets, high-consumption etc has caused this much damage, how do you think the world will fare with 8 billion living at that level? The answer is total systems collapse.

And don't quote the 100 companies statistic, since those companies are what facilitate our lifestyles.

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