failure_of_a_cow
failure_of_a_cow t1_j9kt8b3 wrote
Reply to comment by Tugalord in The harms of gentrification | The exclusion of poorer people from their own neighbourhoods is not just a social problem but a philosophical one by ADefiniteDescription
It's not a non-sequitur, I spelled out why that applies to the issue. I was clear on this point, I don't know how you could have possibly missed it. And merely participating does not make them willing.
failure_of_a_cow t1_j9ia3av wrote
Reply to comment by [deleted] in The harms of gentrification | The exclusion of poorer people from their own neighbourhoods is not just a social problem but a philosophical one by ADefiniteDescription
The case for gentrification is usually something in terms of economic development. The notion that we shouldn't halt development, halt progress, just because some people lose out. Other people gain from that same progress, and it advances both the neighborhood and society as a whole.
Some people also make property rights arguments in favor of gentrification, I mentioned this is another comment. Basically: our system rewards those who have the most money, and gentrification is simply one example of that. And this is good, because our system is good. Or at least better than all other options. (people who make this kind of argument never actually examine all other options)
failure_of_a_cow t1_j9i1u9s wrote
Reply to comment by [deleted] in The harms of gentrification | The exclusion of poorer people from their own neighbourhoods is not just a social problem but a philosophical one by ADefiniteDescription
You're suggesting that some people seem willing, just because they know no alternative? Sure. I'll grant there are some of those too.
Regardless of indoctrination though, an enthusiastic defender of property rights is still an enthusiastic defender of property rights. And there are a lot of people like this. And so many of those are poor.
failure_of_a_cow t1_j9hzwgx wrote
Reply to comment by mrmrmrj in The harms of gentrification | The exclusion of poorer people from their own neighbourhoods is not just a social problem but a philosophical one by ADefiniteDescription
Limiting property ownership to certain types of people is an all-ism. There is no economic or political system which does not do this, except perhaps anarchism. And even that depends on how it's implemented.
Limiting ownership is an inevitable result of a limited supply of property.
As for what tyranny is, that's another subject entirely.
failure_of_a_cow t1_j9hz48i wrote
Reply to comment by [deleted] in The harms of gentrification | The exclusion of poorer people from their own neighbourhoods is not just a social problem but a philosophical one by ADefiniteDescription
Gosh. It's like alternatives to forbidding people from moving already exist.
failure_of_a_cow t1_j9hykai wrote
Reply to comment by HoboHash in The harms of gentrification | The exclusion of poorer people from their own neighbourhoods is not just a social problem but a philosophical one by ADefiniteDescription
... What? I made no proposals, I said that the parent's logic was suspect. Frankly, poor.
failure_of_a_cow t1_j9hlpeo wrote
Reply to comment by mrmrmrj in The harms of gentrification | The exclusion of poorer people from their own neighbourhoods is not just a social problem but a philosophical one by ADefiniteDescription
That's not true, we could also prevent the rich people from moving. Or we could section off areas and limit property ownership there to only people who belong to certain groups, perhaps certain income brackets. Or we could distribute housing by some method other than money, like a lottery or a beauty contest.
Whenever you say, "the only way..." you're running into dangerous territory.
failure_of_a_cow t1_j9hdbwo wrote
Reply to comment by trele_morele in The harms of gentrification | The exclusion of poorer people from their own neighbourhoods is not just a social problem but a philosophical one by ADefiniteDescription
That's an interesting idea... it raises some new questions though. Usually, we condemn conquest as something that one person (or group) inflicts on another. Without their consent.
Money, and our economic system in general, could probably be characterized the same way for some people, but an awful lot of people who are financially conquered are willing participants in our economy and monetary system. They like money too, they just don't have enough of it. That's not really the same as an invasion.
failure_of_a_cow t1_j9h9xjs wrote
Reply to comment by trele_morele in The harms of gentrification | The exclusion of poorer people from their own neighbourhoods is not just a social problem but a philosophical one by ADefiniteDescription
> Any other perspectives?
Well the two that we're discussing here are money and birthright. I doubt that this question has an answer though, it probably has many.
failure_of_a_cow t1_j9n3k1l wrote
Reply to comment by Coconutman3000 in The harms of gentrification | The exclusion of poorer people from their own neighbourhoods is not just a social problem but a philosophical one by ADefiniteDescription
I had another reply very much like this, but it looks like it was deleted for some reason. This was my response. It seems applicable to your comment.