darkjackcork
darkjackcork t1_j1q2dae wrote
Reply to Is there any real upper limit of technology? by basafish
Yes. Robots are impossible with just computing.
People don't realize BD robots are modern stagecraft.
That is not to say flying machines won't be able to replace infantry, that is a separate problem and very simple. DARPA can't get android type robots to even open door handles, it is profoundly hard.
Flying a weapon into xyz coords is easy.
darkjackcork t1_j1q24xn wrote
Reply to What do you see happening over the next 300 years to a millennia? In what way will it be different to how it is today? by Serious_Final_989
The middle class goes away but this turns out to ultimately be a good thing.
darkjackcork t1_j0vqu4z wrote
Reply to comment by [deleted] in Will human intelligence fall? by Charming-Coconut-234
I don't think the past is better on all dimensions, only that we do not live in the best of all possible worlds and if we want to continue improving we can't stagnate - which I suspect we are outside of computing and some narrow areas like solar panels. Prices are supposed to go down and quality go up if technology is improving, you don't have to search far to find places this is not true. Peter Thiel has videos explaining this general view, controversial but widely regarded as the cleverest person in Silicon Valley.
darkjackcork t1_j0vpxzx wrote
Reply to comment by [deleted] in Will human intelligence fall? by Charming-Coconut-234
The last paragraph may be true but not always.
David Krakauer has an excellent video explaining some of this, if I recall the GoldLab Symposium.
On the first, YouTube is an illusion. When our society advertises items like cooking shows, construction skills, it is responding to demand for those. This is fine, the skills spreading is good, but it is large error to think it follows this means the amount of knowledge is increasing. It's actually a signal of the opposite. We have lots of TV and YouTube videos concerning housing because they are becoming less accessible.
I strongly disagree elemental skills can be taught quickly. This is usually not true. If you go to a site and ask each trade how to do their thing they will give you answers in weeks and months, yet if you add them together it should take a person less than a year to be a competent builder. This is not true, something is wrong with this picture.
There is a conceit we have about some forms of knowledge, that we can easily reach them with formal descriptions. It actually takes decades to teach an apprentice the skills of a master, because real world experience must be carried out to be able to generalize. It is a serious error of epistemology that is common to the Western middle class. This only becomes obvious when you see people trying to do things. The worst part is we have measured information flow rates with different ways of teaching and the mentor apprentice system is literally 100 times faster than giving lectures to classes, this result is famous in education, it is called Bloom's 2 Sigma.
This is visible as you walk around Western cities, the old buildings have higher attention to ornate detail despite our extra power tools we have today the same detailing is too expensive to recreate.
The crux here is when we are very good at things we forget that they were hard at first. Then if the people don't transmit the information it isn't like formal knowledge where you can skate by with a description. Instead the next generation loses the skill and has to painfully relearn it. That is the paradox of 'elementary knowledge'.
You can lose information for thousands of years, that is what a Dark Age is. Things got cruder and cruder.
We have had some good overall centuries, but we can go backwards just like the Roman and Egyptian empires did. For Egypt the largest pyramids were built first, not last.
darkjackcork t1_j0vkkb7 wrote
Reply to comment by [deleted] in Will human intelligence fall? by Charming-Coconut-234
Here is another problem. Our society says to us it is more moral than the past because small numbers of people were treated harshly. Yet it is our time that has the highest prison populations and ubiquitous consumer debt. It looks like we just smeared out a negative across a larger number of people, it is not clear the total harm caused is lower.
Every society in history jerks itself off. Look at those statues of Kings boasting about their achievements, we are the same, it is what I call chrono-centrism.
darkjackcork t1_j0viwas wrote
Reply to comment by [deleted] in Will human intelligence fall? by Charming-Coconut-234
Intelligence I define as the ability to solve real problems with the least effort. So then it is high dimensional and it is possible we are have strong abilities in some areas and weaker in other places.
People today are very socially savvy compared to the past but their tacit skills are far poorer. This is difficult to measure but competance at doing general articulation work is getting very low, people are losing elemental skills like cleaning, cooking at the same time more people have attended formal education. It's not clear that is a win.
darkjackcork t1_j0vh2b4 wrote
Reply to comment by [deleted] in Will human intelligence fall? by Charming-Coconut-234
My claims are easy to check. They're only surprising to a naive interpretation of history.
darkjackcork t1_j0vddyw wrote
Reply to comment by [deleted] in Will human intelligence fall? by Charming-Coconut-234
But we did lose impressive abilities. Earlier societies were able to output way higher in some ways. Venice was just 400,000 people and they did the Renaissance.
As communication and recording ability go up they suppress amateur efforts and that concentrates skill, sometimes that lowers quality of life.
120 years ago most western men built houses for their families. Those are, despite what an ignorant Reddit will assume, not dramatically different to the houses we're in today, just less insulation and Bluetooth but at 10x a lower real price in many advanced countries in 1900. With average wages these were paid off in 5-8 years. This is easy to prove if you look at the old records like the S&R catalogue.
Doesn't fit the Reddit theory of history one little bit.
darkjackcork t1_j2w780f wrote
Reply to They say we're past "social media" and are now in the age of algorithms: the "recommendation media." by retepretepretep
I can't stand another muh Elon Musk changed everything.
The honeymoon being over has nothing to do him. He is the same person he was before.
The quantity of fainting spells in journalists, so embarrassing.