>It’s not obvious because there are also tons of other variables that affect whether or not a person gets fat. We could spend all day talking about them.

But there's no correlation to free healthcare and obesity so your initial point is still wrong.

>I disagree, government nutritional recommendations are another reason western society is weak and fat. And if they can’t accomplish their goal of getting people to eat healthier and it becomes too expensive, then they just cut funding to the “universal” healthcare system so a lot of people don’t get the treatment they need.

You say you disagree but what follows has nothing to do with my point. Every year we have a push for healthy eating in the uk. I will admit that funding is slowly drying up for the nhs but that has far more to do with companies lobbying for an american based healthcare system.

>What’s wrong with a for-profit healthcare system continuously researching and developing ways to treat complications from obesity?

In my experience that isn't what actually happens though. In for profit healthcare, solving problems isn't profitable and therefore rarely happens. It's much better to mislead the consumer and give short term solutions.

Edit- I realised I misread your last point. The problem with only treating the complications of an issue is that it doesn't stop the issue. Keeping people obese so they can charge them for the complications is exactly the reason your entire argument is invalid. For profit healthcare does not promote a healthier lifestyle or limit obesity.

So can you explain why america has a higher obesity rate per capita despite having one of the most expensive healthcare systems? In theory what you say can make sense but that simply isn't the reality of the situation. Having universal healthcare causes governments to make more of an effort towards healthy eating, where as a for profit health system actually causes monetary gain from obesity. This causes cases of misleading information when it comes to healthcare and raises the rates of obesity.

The only things I can see that effect obesity is national wealth and consumerism culture. Universal healthcare has nothing to do with it.

Weird, I never said it wasnt a problem, just that it's a bigger problem in the us

This is a joke right? I come from the uk that has universal healthcare and has a much lower obesity per capita then America (which doesnt have universal healthcare).

Dont underestimate the Tories. They can always go lower

Just enough to back up thier preconceived ideas, not enough to actually learn anything...

Seems like an unrelated point, just trying to say christianity isn't any better. Plus christianity has done the same in Iberia during the spanish inquisition, plus everything that happened in south america after its discovery. Also most of christian history has been oppressing various religious and cultural groups

Think you need to be introduced to this crazy thing called the last 2000 years my guy. But specifically any of the crusades where Christians tried to genocide the entire region