cyborgsnowflake

cyborgsnowflake t1_jdoz0ia wrote

In a very general sense neurons and nns are the same in that they are both networks but the brain from what we know is structured very differently to gpt which is a more or less simply a linear circuit for processing tensors. I'm not sure what the reasoning is to jump to the conclusion that a living being is popping into existence when you run GPT just because the output 'looks human'. You could just conclude that' knowledge tasks to a certain degree can be approximated statistically'. As anyone who watched horny men get fooled by chatbots in the 90s should know.

If you believe the former than logically if you replaced the computer circuits with humans than even people writing equations on paper together should if there was enough of them theoretically also cause these 'calculation beings' with minds independent of the humans themselves to pop into existence. Which maybe you can argue for under certain philosophies but thats veering off into territory far from orthodox computer science.

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cyborgsnowflake t1_jdl47n8 wrote

I think the simpler answer is its easier than some people believed to reproduce certain knowledge tasks statistically than the alternative theory that shuffling tensors creates living thinking beings like everyone else on this thread seems to be jumping on board.

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cyborgsnowflake t1_jdkruku wrote

We know the nuts and bolts of what is happening since it's been built from the ground up by humans. Gptx is essentially a fancy statistical machine. Just rules for shuffling data around to pick word x+ 1 on magnetic platters. No infrastructure for anything else. Let alone a brain. Unless you think adding enough if statements creates a soul. I'm baffled why people think gpt is sentient just because it can calculate solutions based on the hyperparameters of the knowledge corpus as well or better than people. Your Casio calculator or linear regression can calculate solutions better than people. Does that mean your Casio calculator or the x/y grid in your high school notebook is sentient?

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cyborgsnowflake t1_j0u53di wrote

Maybe things might be different in the future but what exactly has Elon done so far thats gotten you so upset thats also relevant to people who just use the site to read about stuff like ML?

Its still the same terrible for meaningful indepth conversation platform its always been. Theres been no major disruptions as far as I can tell. In fact if it was possible to avoid the constant media drama headlines online, one might not even know anythings changed at all.

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cyborgsnowflake t1_iwyoh4x wrote

I must have missed the memo, is Musk a Hitler tier figure now?

What exactly did he do that offends you so much that hasn't been done by countless other people you don't mind? Be a rapacious businessman like most big tech businessmen? Let go of a bunch of Twitter employees like tons of other companies? Charging for bluecheckmarks?

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cyborgsnowflake t1_iv7fbit wrote

Mate when your argument relies on comparing oppressed groups in society that are oppressed

Either a correlation matters or it doesn't, how sorry you feel for a group plays no scientific role.

You being right wing doesn’t make you oppressed, lol. You can just stop being right wing at any point.

People can flip their deepseated beliefs like a light switch. Sounds scientific to me!

I’m asking for proof that right wingers are suspended at a higher rate for the same actions. You don’t have anything to prove that, so you’re just guessing.

I gave it to you. Republicans are suspended at a 5x for the same actions of talking on twitter just like Dems do. What confounding variables are you talking about?

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cyborgsnowflake t1_iv77mi4 wrote

One side still refuses to acknowledge the result of a democratic election

Like the 2000 election people still say was stolen by Bush II and the SC. And the 2016 election which is the result of Russia 'hacking' the election!

One side wants to violate the bodily autonomy and freedom of religion of its citizens and impose a radical interpretation of social justice onto their lives

Like how the Left wants to ban everything from large sodas, to plastic bags, to what you are allowed to eat, to the straws you get to use, and the cars you drive, to choosing who you work with and work for, prescribing a specific way to have sex, restricting your rights to self defense, to in certain countries banning men from getting private paternity tests and forcing them into 18 years of servitude for a child that isn't theirs. To robbing you of opportunities because you are not the right skin color or sex. I can literally go on forever listing the ways the Left dictates how you should live your life.

These are not ideologies that come from cherry-picked social media posts. These are ideologies that have been amplified to an extreme by central political figures — namely Biden, Nancy Pelosi , AOC — that have been echoed by their party through their votes, political tactics, and their platform’s stated goal.

The other side is barely suggesting reforms that would make life infinitesimally more equalitarian, but it mostly lacks the unity and decisiveness to make meaningful changes to the system. Coming from the world outside of 21st century Western urban areas, seeing Americans treat their right as if it was some kind of radical entity seems completely ridiculous. Your right is our left.

I don't know where this meme came from that the Left is some outcast ideology in America but its not remotely true for anyone who uses their brain for a few seconds. For one thing theres already tons of Leftwingers on this popular American site. Far more than conservatives. A typical San Franciscan Leftist isn't all that much more rightwing than a London or Parisian one. at least from a social justice perspective in fact they may be even more strident given a lot of this type of thought originates from American academia. The MSM in America and Europe parrot the same globalist neoliberal/left line. If you watch mainstream news in America the 'far right' is brought up as a point of concern far more than the 'far left'. Just put the term into google and you will see it is used in news stories far more often.

Claiming MSNBC/HUFFPO are biblethumping crossburners compared to their European counterparts just makes you look silly..

You still are the last first-world country without a functioning public healthcare system.

You're all over the place. We're talking about twitter and moderation and you want to open up a debate about healthcare.

Both sides are not playing the same game. One is playing a dangerous game that can end democracy if left unchecked.

We must restrict speech (from the other side) and delegitimize every election our opponents win while claiming they do it to us for democracy!

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cyborgsnowflake t1_iv4w2v7 wrote

So you've moved the goalpost after I showed you how wrong your assumption was. Now showing some disparity among x race/gender/political groups isn't in itself enough to justify action or even curiosity? And further you'll proactively assume its a nothingburger rather than have an open mind? And you'll keep moving the goal posts.

Great! I've got you thinking like a 'FAR RIGHT racist sexist homophobic transphobic' conservative now. So what if blacks are arrested more? They probably commit more crime! So what if women are paid less? They probably don't work as hard on average! The groundwork is laid. Just shift the groups you apply your new logic to a bit and you too will know the pleasure of playing whack a mole with Big Tech in no time with your fellow 'neonazi fascist' rightwingers. Glad I could teach you something.

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cyborgsnowflake t1_iv4lbsp wrote

I didn't say only due to politics, I said largely. He's been the subject of heavy negative coverage starting around the time he started to really jump into politics that is probably partisan driven. but can have effects across party lines. But even disregarding that there are still huge differences between ideological groups. So yeah, politics isn't an irrelevant factor here.

In terms of your other question, Twitter keeps the best information to themselves and of course aren't going to release anything that makes them look bad and most of the media run interference for them but slightly more independent studies like these have found they suspend Republicans 5x more than Democrats.

https://www.newsnationnow.com/business/tech/is-twitter-really-biased-this-study-takes-a-look/

Of course most academics are also on team Progressive so they handwave it away with 'lulz misinformation'. But they can't deny the validity of the central fact that conservatives are targeted more.

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cyborgsnowflake t1_iv4j2o8 wrote

Anyone can just say the other side is the radical one.

But an indisputable fact is that a gigantic chunk of our new speech platforms are in the hands of the same Sillycon Valley clique that embraces the same values and outlooks of one of the most leftwing/'progressive' areas in the world. As flawed and as part of this clique as Musk may be, their dismay over this shows this is a step toward greater ideological diversity.

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cyborgsnowflake t1_iv41jx1 wrote

  1. Its Musk's fault that trolls and disaffected posters have started a meme of repeatedly typing in the nword in response to the takeover.
  2. What direction is that? He mostly gave some boilerplate about freespeech balanced with safety. Do you object to any of those concepts? In practical terms the only major change will probably be that overall moderation will remain similar (too much imo) but everyone may be moderated on a more equal basis rather than just one side getting the banhammer while people cheering violence against politicians like Rand Paul, openly planning DDOS attacks, and calling for MAGA kids to be 'fed into the woodchipper' get softer treatment. Twitter is not suddenly going to be filled with Tweets planning assassinations of politicians and child porn because there is no evidence Elon is planning to go that way and even if he wanted to the state won't allow it.
  3. Controversial maybe to Dems/leftwingers and as this study shows https://morningconsult.com/2022/06/23/elon-musk-favorability/ largely due to politics.
  4. Leaving aside the whole can of worms about what a massive con the current implementation of 'AI ethics' is many employees of Twitter have made it clear they won't work with Musk and don't share his vision. He's running a business not a charity that specializes in giving out six figure salaries to people who hate and want to sabotage their benefactor. Would YOU keep people on who disliked and didn't want to work with you and made it abundantly clear in your business? Tons of people are fired every day for less and with far less generous benefits What makes these guys so special?
  5. These alternatives have been present for years. If people cared about any of the nonpolitical things they claimed they would have left years ago.
  6. Oh I would be pleased as peach if everyone would move enmasse to decentralized uncontrolled platforms. But I think this Leftwing exodus will fizzle for the same reason the rightwing exoduses fizzled. Big Social media is built on the network effect. Not on the inherent superiority of their philosophy compared to smaller platforms that Dems were trumpeting up until a few months ago. The people claiming they're leaving won't be able to stay away from Twitter because...besides everyone else being there, being left alone from the depredations of the Dark Lord Musk isn't what they want. They want control.

I would put better odds that eventually they're going to try to drive him off of control or force Musk to up the censorship to a more acceptable level or get kicked out than some nirvana of wildly popular decentralized social media springing up anytime soon.

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cyborgsnowflake t1_iv2kd2n wrote

I agree. Twitter is awful for scientific discourse by its technical nature let alone the political noise. Which is why it puzzles me why some people use it for that purpose let alone some petty political dislike of Musk being a big factor over all the consistent relevant negatives that have been present for years.

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