>ancient rome etc had free markets, did they not? And the SU was a dictatorship.

So you don't know what capitalism is. Capitalism started in late 19th century in Europe.

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>they had to assume that “they have WMD’s“ was true. Would you risk
getting nuked? The coups were against dictatorships / authoritarian
regimes.

You can't be serious or that naive. US never cared about WMD, they cared about oil. And even if they did. If the CIA create a false claim again saying Mexico have WMD hey have the right to invade? If someone claim your country holds something dangerous they have the right to invade and destroy it and kills its people? I truly cannot believe you are covering-up US in this matter. It was no Iraq, Saudi Arabia or NK who launched two nuclear bombs against civilians.

No man, one of the coups happened in my country and destroyed democracy and installed a military dictatorship that killed and tortured their political adversaries.

And who the fuck US think they are they can get in other country and change it's government? Everything you saying can be used the other way around and would you accept it? If China rehearse a coup in US using the same excuse, would you be cool with it? This thinking disgust me. Americans think they are the chosen one to bring peace and democracy in the world. Guess what? They bring only pain and suffering.

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>the british empire overall improved living standards and gave them
proper houses, buildings, medicine etc. the slavery part was terrible,
il give you that.

So it's ok to invade and kill the native to give the illusion of a better place? China suffered for decades with opium addicted citizens because of England and saw no improvments. India was a colony who's only purpose was to explore, sell goods from their factories and steal resources, everything bad or good was done to achieve this purpose. Africa was looted and left to rot, they are only now starting to recover. Imperialism is a cancer to those who suffered it and a blessing for those who do it. I think France and other Europe nations didn't liked it when Hitler did to them what they had done to others.

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>of course they were bombed, ever heard of the cold war? They were / are
hostile to the US and their allies. Did you expect the west to just roll
over and die? And the embargo is because those countries are enemies of
the US and want to destroy the west.

Laos wasn't in the war, their frontier was being used to transport goods to the front line and Vietnam was a french colony fighting for independence just like US did against Britain.

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>”hunger, extreme poverty, and unemployment” are the lowest they have ever been globally.

Not because of capitalism, China alone raised 800 million people out of extreme poverty.

I'm glad US is losing it's power to a nation that don't need to bomb the shit out of their "enemies" or conquer other to extract their resources to be the biggest economy worldwide. A multipolar world where US can't humiliate other just for the sake of profit is the world I want to live in.

>No it doesn’t. The world GDP grows year after year without needing “infinite growth”.

What happen when it stop to grow? Recession, 2008 crisis is a example.

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>that IS capitalism. Thats like saying “cooking food isn’t cooking, it’s making the food hotter”

So by your definition capitalism existed in ancient Rome, Greece Egypt, etc? And Soviet Union was capitalist too since those things existed there right? So tell me what the Soviet Union was?

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>the soviet union is the go to example for human rights abuses, poverty,
corruption, and starvation. if the soviet union / communism is so great
why did all the former soviet satelite states have widespread majority
support for ending communism? Ask anyone who grew up in a former
communist / socialist country and they’ll tell you horror stories all
day. i have heard stories of people who grew up in former communist
countries and were doctors, nurses, firefighters, etc and had to wait
15 YEARS for a landline. And that was the priority queue.

I never claimed Soviet Union was perfect but human right abuses, poverty, corruption and starvation are happening right now in capitalist countries. What do you call a invasion on sovereign soil based on false claim? Or the use of chemical weapons like white phosphorus and agent orange against a civilian population?

What do you call a country that invaded more than 28 countries since ww2 and organized multiple coups around the world to change the government to a more suitable one to their interests?

Soviet Union had a lot of problems and most of them come from the invasion from Nazi Germany that heavy desestabilize it. After SU fell poverty, unemployment and hunger skyrocketed in all of it's members in just 10 years, but hey, they can buy a Iphone now!

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>im not sure what your point is. These were / are both capitalist countries and grew there economies with a free market economy

If you call conquering countries and waging wars against the it's inhabitants "free market economy", sure. England literally waged two wars to have the right to sell opium in China, they destroyed India cloth industry so they could sell their own. You must have herd the say "The sun never set on the British Empire", where do you think it came from?

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>cuba - one of the most authoritarian regimes on the planet. those that
leave cuba are banned from ever returning. Poverty rates in the country
are well above the global average last time i checked.

Please tell me how Cuba is a authoritarian regime, just read how their political system works. Cuba have a lot of problems, most from the crushing embargo from US, but hey still have low hunger, unemployment and homelessness, with good education and healthcare.

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>china - arguably authoritarian country with widespread censorship. freedom of expression In china isn’t exactly great.

Yeah, sure. The country with most strikes per capita worldwide who's government rolled back Covid 0 police after 1 week of protesting from their population, btw the police didn't arrested 300 people like in France or shot them like in US. Btw, China police don't use guns. Sad they can't use Google(banned by US government itself) and Facebook(banned because didn't want to share data with China government).

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>laos - poor country, high poverty rates.

And why is that? US literally dropped more bombs there than the whole ww2 campaign, Laos is the most bombed country in the history between 50 and 300 people die from those bombs every year since the end of war, they even build houses with bombs parts since it's the most abundant material to build.

Even with this, they have 6% GPD growth average since 1990 and poverty and hunger in steady decline also. Vietnam suffered the same fate by the hand of US and enjoy similar breakthrough in human development with even more GPD growth.

NK is another country bombed to hell by US(it's incredible how often that happens), with 4 million deaths during the war. US destroyed dams, hospitals, schools, they stop bombing because there was nothing left to destroy. That's why they built nuclear weapons so US can't wreck havoc unpunished. Btw the heaviest embargo on Earth is currently on NK.

If socialism/communism is faded to fail, why try so hard to destroy it? Let them fail. UN voted to lift embargo on Cuba and all countries beside US and Israel voted against. Even the CIA say the embargo is to starve cubans so they revolt against the government which didn't happened.

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>and a planned economy / communism / socialism is basically saying “im
jealous that other people are rich, therefore everyone should be poor”.

I don't have a problem with rich people, I have a problem with a sytem that need people misery to exist so a little few can have luxury. You see, hunger, extreme poverty, unemployment will never cease to exist in capitalism because it's profitable.

Capitalism is a system that requires infinite growth so in the long run is unsustainable because we have finite resources.

You clearly don’t understand what capitalism is. Selling and buying products, money being exchanged, is market that precede capitalism in thousands of years and it exist where capitalism is no more.

> planned / government run economies don’t work and history shows that, and if everything was run by the government that would basically stifle innovation and destroy the middle and upper classes.

That’s not true at all. GPS, cellphone, internet, computers, cars, etc was created using government funding, sometimes private companies do create something but it’s rarely without government money because innovation it’s risky and a lot of times unprofitable.

Soviet Union went from a heavy agricultural country to launch a man in space in 30 years while being invaded by nazis and being the vanguard of modern labor rights.

The British empire was strong because their government used it’s funding to conquer and pillage on foreign territory. US is strong because it’s government use their budget to fuel the most powerful military the world has ever seen, a tool used to invade other countries to steal resources and fuel their economy. It’s called imperialism.

I recommend you to go to the world bank website and look at the GPD growth, hunger and unemployment rate of the socialist countries that exist today (Cuba, China, Laos, North Korea and Vietnam). You will see how a planned economy run.

I invite you chat with me and ask questions about it. See I didn’t use any opinion here just verifiable facts.

The idea that more money alone cause inflation have been disproved a long time ago. Yes more money can cause inflation but it's no the main source of it.

Just look at Japan' Yen. In 20 years the amount of Yen more than doubled but the inflation grew only 3%.