Which means that when chips will be available, the production process will be shorter.

> The camera budget wouldn't have been moved to the production budget.

It could have. For sure.

> The production budget is determined independently, based on the ROI of said budget.

No, the production budget is determined by the production needs.

> Tossing more money at the production budget would have done practically very little over the course of the last two years when the issue chip supplies

That's not true. Intel, AMD, Razer, Seinnheiser, Xbox, Steelseries, Playstation, Sony, etc. are ALL constantly improving their production. And most of those have chip production shortage. Just because steps #298 of the production is slowed down, doesn't mean the hundreds of other steps can't be optimized.

My statements implies that there's still some possible improvement when it comes to the entire production. Which is true. No company right now has a perfect production.

Just because Raspberry pi doesn't manufacture the board, doesn't mean they can't possibly improves the production. Plenty of tech companies don't manufacture their own stuff, as it's made in some factory in China, yet they still work and improve their production, from signing better deals, from improving the R&D so that the manufacturing process is more streamlined, from switching to easier to work materials, finding better carriers with better routes, etc.

Once again, you're making a point that the raspberry pi production line is near perfect. That's just being ignorant.

> The only 'R&D' they could do is change board design to account for additional chips

See how ignorant you're being? How is that the only R&D possible? You're implying Raspberri pis are near-perfect.

Like, here's your take:

• Signing better manufacturing deals from different factories = Nope raspberry pi fondation has near-perfect manufacturers right now.
• R&D to ease the manufacturing of Raspberries, from the board specs to materials = Nope raspberry pis manufacturing and design are near-perfect right now.
• Finding a better carrier with more direct routes/less downtime = Nope raspberry pi fondation has near-perfect carriers right now.
• Cut deals with manufacturers to develop/add more customs raspberry pi automated assembly machines = Nope raspberry pi fondation has near-perfect amount of automated assembly machines right now.

EVERY TECH COMPANIES are investing to improve their production lines because there's optimization to be done, but you think raspberry pi fundation is immune to that, because there's little to do?

BILLIONS DOLLARS COMPANIES constantly invest to improve their production lines, to cut down manufacturing times, but Raspberry pi fundation is near-perfect and wouldn't benefits from investing more into their production lines? Such an ignorant take.

I've already answered that question: Invest in better R&D to ease the manufacturing of boards.

>This isn't about improving products, this is about production of more raspberry pis.

Which why I said "are all constantly improving their productions". I'm talking about production, not products https://www.dictionary.com/browse/production

>On the other hand, you believe that the Pi foundation should shutdown all other divisions, all development of different products, future products, etc., if it means they can get one more single raspberry pi fabricated even if it costs millions and the company goes under. That's your take.

That's not my take. My take is very simple: The funds used to launch the camera (from RnD to productions to marketing etc) should have been used to accelerate the production of raspberry pi instead.

You're the one arguing that accelerating that production is impossible.

Just read the chain of comments. It's exactly your take. Your putting words into your own mouth.

I just have a different budgeting priority, which happens all the time, and for some reason you're butthurt about that.

I don't care if we don't have the same budgeting priorities, but saying my priorities don't work because improving production isn't possible ("but but but what can they do?!" ) , is an ignorant take.

> You're also missing the point. The camera budget was likely independent of the production budget.

It's not. It comes out of the same budget overrall.

> it is unlikely to have had an impact on production over the last two years.

Once again you're implying that Raspberry Pi management is perfect and that no amount of additionnal work hours/budget could improve, even slightly, the situation. That's just wrong.

Look, take 15 minutes and introspect that your POV is that nothing could be done to improve (even just a little bit) the production of Pis, not now not later. You're arguing that the incredibly complex and numerous steps of bringing a product like a Raspberry pi to consumers (from R&D to manufacturing to suppliers etc) can't, in anyways or form, be improved, even slightly.

Every tech companies, from Apple to IBM to Razers to Intel to Sennheiser etc etc etc are all constantly improving their productions, but Raspberry pi actually have it perfect and nothing could be improved. That's your take.

> To my limited understand of the problems that the Raspberry Pi foundation is facing, I do not think there is anything reasonable that can be done to accelerate the manufacturing of boards in the short term.

That's just goalpost moving. "short term" was never implied nor stated.

You added "short term" because you know there's some stuff to be done eventually.

And if there's some stuff to be done eventually, then I'm right to say that the budget spending on bringing this cam to market should have been invested into accelerating the manufacturing, is a VALID opinion to have.

I did answer your question, answer mines. Otherwise this is just you asking wide empty questions without ever being responsible for what you implies.

Invest in better R&D to ease the manufacturing of boards. That's one idea of many.

Are you implying that nothing can be done to accelerate the manufacturing of boards?

Are you implying that Raspberry pi fondation is already at the top maximal optimisation possible when it comes to board manufacturing?

I'm not sure the real point of this when you can buy a camera with everything included for like 35$

Yes. I think it comes from the overrall raspberry pi budget.

Budget spent on developing the camera is budget not spent on accelerating the manufacturing of boards.