These are the same sorts of idiots who rant about how "communist" Obamacare is while saying they love the Affordable Care Act because it helps them, completely unaware it's the same damn thing. Fox and other right wing outlets have flat out brain washed people.

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It's all they have.

Prove that anything I posted or said is "bad science" as you claimed. You're flat out lying because you know the facts fly in face of your bullshit.

I'm ripping you a new asshole for being a liar who's directly destroying our planet due to your own greed.

You're the one outright dismissing facts because they're inconvenient to you. I can back up all my claims with research and hard data, you can't say the same.

You can't dispute the facts so you scream "fake news!" Typical uneducated rube.

>You speak of something which you know nothing about.

It's not my opinion, it's fact. You can ignore the scientific literature, but it doesn't change reality.

Educate yourself

There's a reason cutting red meat consumption is something everyone can do to help the environment. You're directly contributing to our worsening climate.

Whole lot of assumptions, I don't wear or use leather. Keep trying to justify your killing off animals for profit.

Now do me, I'm vegetarian. How are you going to deflect from the damage you're doing to the planet when I don't eat meat?

Yeah, you're so compassionate to the animals you're going to kill to make money, while also speeding up climate change. Thanks for everything you do!

I'd be ecstatic if we had millions of free roaming bison in America, but we both know that's not how modern ranching operates.

>I can understand the anger these guys have when they see their cattle torn up. It is truly upsetting.

Uh huh. So upsetting seeing an animal you were planning on killing anyway being hunted for food by a natural predator.

They don't attack people 99.99% of the time, and when they do attacks aren't fatal. In the past 30 years there has been ONE fatal wolf attack in the US, and that was in Alaska.

Children themselves are more of a threat to people than wolves.

More than you probably realize

The issue with ranching is that land you mention is a small fraction used for cattle. Red meat consumption is causing the amazon rainforest to be clear cut, it's causing old growth forests to be razed. That's absolutely devastating to our planet and is directly making climate change worse. The reality is red meat consumption is terrible for the environment.

I specifically said red meat because I understand not all animals are as destructive to the environment as raising cattle. I'm vegetarian but am cognizant that not everyone is willing to give up meat, however giving up or decreasing red meat consumption benefits everyone.

Ranchers are an antiquated relic who provide zero tangible benefits to society, and continually lead to the destruction of our planet's fragile ecosystem. We absolutely should be prioritizing wolves over ranchers. The reality is we no longer need red meat, especially at the exorbitant cost to the planet.

So you were really just looking for affirmation that your idea of relocating wolves is the solution 🙄

Now look up how unnecessary ranching is in modern America.

Beef is absolutely not a necessity to feed Americans. The reality is Americans eat far too much red meat already, which numerous studies have shown is bad for your health and the environment.

The sole purpose of ranchers in America today is to make money. And their profits are at the expense of declining American health and our natural resources. This response proves your original comment was true

>there’s probably something way above my head that I’m not factoring in and I’m a dumbass.

The solution isn't to move the wolves but to get rid of the ranchers and punish those severely who poison and kill wolves. Seems pretty simple to me. Ranchers are an antiquated product of American greed and shortsightedness, and are far from a necessity.

It's almost like ranchers are the problem. The entirety of US history has cowed to their desires which is why these wolves are endangered in the first place. Have you stopped to question if grey wolves would even be able to thrive in the areas ranchers want them relocated to? It doesn't seem like their well being is of any real concern to you, just avoiding conflict with ranchers who have spent decades creating the current situation.

It's far more upsetting seeing wolves poisoned and shot by ranchers. You're reimbursed for lost cattle, the entire world loses out when wolves die.

Because relocating entire packs isn't easy and you're assuming they won't deal with the same misplaced fears wherever they're moved to. You say the ranchers are without question to blame but your suggestion simply cows to their desires and doesn't even attempt to address the root cause of the problem.

>maybe we should put them in a different area where say you don’t have a bunch of people who quite literally wish death upon them?

Or maybe we address the real problem, ranchers unnecessarily killing wolves due to misplaced fears of lost profit despite the fact the government reimburses them for lost cattle. The wolves aren't the problem, the ranchers are.