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bkydx t1_ixvupl1 wrote

Sorry one too many 0's but it still doesn't change the equation.

.001% of a problem is not the cause of the problem.

There are way more people watching sports at bars and having people over in their house then watching in the stadium.

There are more people on public transit.

There are more kids in school.

There are more workers in the office.

They have no explanation as to how or why and no mechanism and the magical inferred connection they found completely disappears with no explanation at 10k people or less.

They collected data during the peak climb of the Beta outbreak and didn't mention it or acknowledge it.

The same data was collected outside of the Beta outbreak in another paper and all of the correlation and inferred connections disappeared.

So maybe the cause of the beta outbreak is the Beta Variant and not the NFL or NCAA just maybe.

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bkydx t1_ixvr6za wrote

Because Most scientist do not include the information that contradicts their entire paper and proves they are lying and incorrect.

Of course the article I linked doesn't mention the beta variant because it wasn't prevalent yet.

So you have 2 papers with different results looking at the same thing.

One shows 200% increase and one shows no increase.

From Aug-Dec they found no increase due to sporting events

From Sep 12th to February 7th shows a 200% increase during the Beta Outbreak.

Assuming both papers are truthful by looking and comparing their results and data you can reasonably assume outdoor stadiums are not a significant concern to the general population.

The amount of people Hosting football games at home with guests and watching at bars is significantly higher then fans that attend in person and I would argue indoor get-togethers are higher risk then outdoor stadiums.

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bkydx t1_ixvl6le wrote

BECAUSE THEY ALREADY KNOW THE CAUSE WAS THE BETA VARIANT.

Even non-causually attributing a known cause incorrectly is just plain lying and misleading.

Look https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2783110

Zero increase in covid from 600 sporting events with 10,000 people.

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bkydx t1_ixvkgjm wrote

Previous research that looked at 6 times amount of data showed no increase in covid due to NFL and NCAA games with ~10,000 people.

You are the one with clouded judgment.

The cause of the increase in cases was the Beta Variant and nothing else.

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It is statically impossible for 0.001% of the population that went to a sporting event to cause a 200% increase in the entire population.

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bkydx t1_ixvjot3 wrote

Previous research that looked at 6 times amount of data showed no increase in covid due to NFL and NCAA games with ~10,000 people.

This data was taking during the worst of the Beta variant and is associating the spike caused by the SARS2 mutation to NFL stadiums which is beyond dumb.

Does anyone with a brain think that .0001% of the population is having a 200% effect on the spread of covid?

No the average NFL fan did not contribute to 2,000,000% more covid because they sat in an outdoor stadium one time.

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bkydx t1_ixvi6of wrote

But even the fact they are inferring any relationship at all is misleading.

This study looked at 6 times the games with higher average attendance and showed no increase at all in covid by county because it wasn't conducted during the Beta variant outbreak.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2783110

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bkydx t1_ixvhiud wrote

The Beta Variant was during the 2020-2021 season.

They only used data from 100 of the 269 games.

Toumi et Al used the data from 600 games with an average of 10,000 people and showed no increase in covid in the county.

They clearly are not causal nor even related and the only reason it has any correlation is because the data is taken during the Beta variant outbreak.

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bkydx t1_ixvglzi wrote

They cherry picked 100 of the 269 games and are only looking at the worst part of the Beta variant.

Similar better conducted studies show there was no increase in covid due to NFL and NCAA games.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2783110

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bkydx t1_ixvg7a0 wrote

I Updated the number of games and looked closer at the data.

They did have 269 games but the data used is only from 100 games.

Toumi et al looked at 600 games and an average attendance of 10,000 and found no increase in covid cases by county because it wasn't cherry picked during the worst part of the beta variant.

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bkydx t1_ixv9vhk wrote

There is no evidence that backs up your statement. Outdoors is safe.

It is impossible for a NFL game to have the effect the paper is stating.

If actions of 20,000 people had the effect this paper stated on populations of 20,000,000+.

Then each individual that went to a NFL game contributed 200,000% to the Covid outbreak.(Impossible in case you can't understand data)

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Or maybe there were new Covid strains and 30,000,000 students and millions of office works and essential workers that had to continue their lives.

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bkydx t1_ixv7us4 wrote

The new covid mutations caused the waves and spikes and the NFL had nothing to do with it.

Cherry picking only 100 games out of 269 that occurred when the Beta mutation was causing massive spikes then associating it an outdoor NFL game with no cause or evidence is misleading.

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bkydx t1_ixv75c4 wrote

They could have also used all of the data instead of only 25% of it cherry picking games that occurred during the waves from the new covid strains and then attributing the new strains effect to the actions of 5000 people instead of the millions of students going to class and factory and office workers.

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bkydx t1_ixv6jmo wrote

Enclosed stadiums still have sufficient fresh air and with decent masking in indoor areas they should be very low risk but higher then outdoors which is almost a zero.

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bkydx t1_ixv5fu1 wrote

A bigger and actually the biggest indicator is covid mutations.

Even the strictest and most vaccinated and mask wearing populations still had covid outbreaks during the new mutations.

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I can't believe a paper is trying to attribute the virus mutations that caused world wide spikes and waves of cases to a 5000 people safely sitting outdoors.

You know 50,000,000 students and millions of office workers makes any NFL game statistically insignificant.

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bkydx t1_ixv4juu wrote

Covid Science. Cherry pick a small time window at the beginning or an end of a covid wave.

Non-causally attribute new covid mutations to things that bother you like sports or music.

Non-causally attribute Natural immunity ending the wave to politics, masks and vaccines.

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bkydx t1_ixv3xjl wrote

But you can wear a mask and the area's are somewhat ventilated and not very high risk.

Millions of people are going in to the office and classrooms with significantly worse ventilation daily and anyone who has a clue about statistics knows the 20,000 compared to 50,000,000 had zero effect.

They cherry picked 270 games during that happened during the New covid mutations that caused huge waves and spikes.

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bkydx t1_ixv2tdj wrote

They are taking data from the new covid strains spikes and attributing it to football.

Definitely a few people would catch covid waiting 30 minutes in line for a beer while not masking but very unlikely to be spreading viciously through the stands.

20,000 people at a stadium doesn't compare to 50,000,000 million students in classrooms daily or millions in offices.

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bkydx t1_ixv0nbt wrote

Because it didn't spread outdoors.

Key Points.

Data is very cherry picked and anything that didn't fit their agenda was left out.

Sometimes there were no spikes from huge attendances.

5000 or less attendance had no spikes.

All Spikes and data collected was at the start of the current wave where cases were increasing drastically before the NFL games took place.

20000 people at an outdoor football game is a drop in the bucket compared to 50,000,000 students being crammed poorly ventilated classrooms daily.

Over 1000 NFL games but lets only pick the 270 that occurred at the beginning of a Covid mutation that was going to have a huge Wave regardless and attribute 100% of it to the NFL.

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