> By that same token, anyone who works more than you can look at you as doing the bare minimum, slacker.

I don't understand how you got to this perspective. It's really a spectrum. You can be a millionaire but not a billionaire. Both are successful, but one is greater than the other. Which in return, the billionaire could say the millionaire is a "slacker" in certain degrees of finance, even though both are successful compared to average income earners. But a 9-5 worker will never be able to tell a millionaire they're a slacker, because they're not as successful fiscally.

The original comment is about how "everyone who works a 9-5 if they work hard should be successful then" which the reality is having a 9-5 is not working "hard" in comparison to someone fiscally independent. It's the bare-minimum, again, everyone should be getting some fitness in through the week as bare-minimum, a lot of people don't do any. That doesn't make the people who do the 3 times a week walk successful in fitness, it makes them the bare-minimum. Now may that bare-minimum be difficult for the individual? It sure may, - but in comparison to the grand scheme of fitness it is not, above average. Where working a 9-5 is average.

>Maybe a one size fits all approach to your perspective is the problem with your outlook

My outlook? The fact you should work beyond the average and desire independence is holding me back? I don't understand how you would think that when the other avenue is just, "do the average 9-5" unless you believe a 9-5 is not average. I'm unsure as you didn't feel inclined to highlight any opposition, you just put up silly insults.

>What do the boots taste like? Never actually licked them myself

This is really odd as you're the advocate for a 9-5 but calling me the bootlicker? Your position is, 'work for someone that's paying me far less than they are getting paid, because that's success" where mine is "9-5 is the starting point, aim higher and work towards it because working for the man won't get you success.' Could you explain how my ideology is "bootlicking" while yours isn't?

This is purely my perspective on life, but, a 9-5 is the bare-minimum in a professionals life and isn't something I would consider successful in the grand scheme of finance acquisition. Even if you're making $150k/anually, if you're not working for yourself I don't believe you're fiscally independent. Success would be getting to a place of independence not available through a 9-5.

The attitude that holding a single 9-5 in modern society is some sort of achievement is limiting the potential for anyone who believes it. Reality in most cases a 9-5 is a base-level requirement and you'll never be successful only doing the base-level work.

If you want to only do, Bench, Squat, Deadlift, at your comfortable weight for 10 years of your life, I wouldn't say that's you putting in "hard work" it's base-level work which everyone should be doing. You won't get to the top levels of success with that workout, but you'll still be above anyone who doesn't even put in any effort.

Life's full of variables and outliers which we can discuss, but this is my general principle of thought on the topic.

Not a fan of this one.

Life is not sunshine and rainbows, hard work is required to succeed. Some of which, cost physical and mental strains that are needed to be pushed through not avoided.

To each their own, but I'd prefer working on my stress resilience not my ability to drop taxing problems in my life.

I'm unsure, I don't think I like this quote though.

But, I do think it starts the conversation on Empathy vs Sympathy. Empathy being the ability to relate and emotionally engage evenly with the person speaking their emotions to you. Sympathy being in a state of understanding while providing ways the person may be able to overcome their situation, but not necessarily sharing the emotion as the speaker yourself.

A lot of people like more or less of one or the other. But both are great tools when needed. Telling which person wants what, or how much of both, isn't always clear to yourself or even to the person sharing their feelings which is why I'm unsure if I can agree with the post. It's not so "on/off" as it's written.

This infograph is kind of silly. The weathly utilize debt for fiscal risk management.

Calculating simple loss doesn't really show the full picture.