Lmao, wtf?

Idk if you are trying to say that the idea that chaos is “oriental” is basic Aristotelian metaphysics. Or if you are saying that chaos is bad because it’s not “western,” and I’d know that if only I’d read Aristotle? But either way, I’m just gonna go ahead and not bother with this convo anymore.

You don’t like the format of his discussion group because you found it to be chaotic? Okay.

Yeah… idk what that means but that’s not an argument, as far as I can tell. That’s just name calling.

A couple of thoughts loosely inspired by this comment:

Corporations are legal fictions, perhaps, but that doesn’t make them not exist in actuality. If it did, we wouldn’t have to worry about the very real power corporations have over our lives, the environment, etc…. But alas, we do have to worry.

Nature is also a fiction in important ways. It relies on a human-imagined binary between (1) things that humans do (like corporations) which we consider unnatural, or not natural, and (2) pretty much everything else. All the different things, forces, etc… in the latter category gets lumped together under the singular “Nature” as if it were a single thing.

But of course Nature it isn’t a single thing. And the very binary that the concept relies on starts to fall apart when we acknowledge (as you rightfully did) that we are “inseparably part of” Nature.

b/c Nature isn’t one thing, it makes little sense to me to imagine giving Nature rights as such. But the idea of giving specific ecosystems (like a body of water, for example) legal rights akin to those of corporations is an interesting environmental strategy. But in that case, the body of water as legal person would also be a legal fiction. But then again so would you or I, as legal persons with legal rights. At that point, perhaps, calling legal distinctions fictions obscures more than it reveals.