SaiphSDC
SaiphSDC t1_j194gf0 wrote
Reply to comment by TheLostHippos in in the FAQ it is stated that one proof of the universe's expansion is that "more distant galaxies are packed closer together". What sort of measurements have been made to show this? by DanTheTerrible
That is correct.
Distance = time due to the finite speed of light.
So the detail that galaxies far away, and thus in the past, are closer supports the model of an expanding universe.
Especially as this detail is seen in all directions with no variation further supports the expansion model.
SaiphSDC t1_j18i31f wrote
Reply to in the FAQ it is stated that one proof of the universe's expansion is that "more distant galaxies are packed closer together". What sort of measurements have been made to show this? by DanTheTerrible
Telescope observations were done to establish two things.
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The distance to galaxies using Supernova Light curves and redshifts.
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How seperated the galaxies are (basically galaxies "per square inch")
Its found that at larger distances, there are more galaxies per unit area at that distance.
So at 10 billion ly we might have 5 galaxies per unit area. At 12, the average is 8, at 13 the average is 14 per unit area.
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Its essentially a matter of sectioning off a portion of the sky and counting. Then comparing that to the distances for each galaxy.
SaiphSDC t1_j1afx89 wrote
Reply to comment by aphilsphan in in the FAQ it is stated that one proof of the universe's expansion is that "more distant galaxies are packed closer together". What sort of measurements have been made to show this? by DanTheTerrible
the conclusion you came to assumes that the universe was static.
The universe is actively expanding. Think of it as on a treadmill, or trapped in a current.
The light is traveling towards us, but the space is also expanding as it travels.
Here is a very simple set of numbers to help you see this.
You walk at 2m/s. You start 10 meters away from me. You are standing on a treadmill that moves at 1 m/s. You start walking. You walk for 1 second, you walked "2 meters" and normally would be at 8 meters. But the treadmill slid you back 1m, so you're at 9.
repeat, another second and you're at 8, then 7... it takes you 10 full seconds to reach me, you walk 20 meters total because the pesky treadmill undoes 1m every second.
When I observe you, I measure you to be 20 meters away, even though your original position was 10. This is because the light has spread out as if it traveled for 20m, redshifted over 20m, and such.
So the galaxy was far closer than 13 billion ly when the light first left. And indeed the amount the expansion matters changes (i.e. the treadmill isn't constant).