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Yes because brains have the 'supernatural component' of being... biological and in a specific configuration. Saying that a machine can be conscious in principle is also an extraordinary claim. I am saying we can't be certain either way.

It is not a literal example so what you said doesn't really matter in what I'm talking about. It was more of marking difference not that the relationship between life and AI are literally the same as cows and birds.

I'm literally saying that we aren't sure what's going to happen that is my argument.

>Self Awareness being computational means human beings set a precedent,

Set a precedent for what? For life specifically biological life because at the moment that is our only example and humans aren't the only conscious beings.

>Those aren’t even close to the same comparison

The point of the comparison is that they are different creatures with different attributes. AI and life are different from each other which is why we shouldn't make the same assumptions for the both of them especially due to lack of knowledge.

>Consciousness isn’t a trait unique to humans or any one animal

I already know this.

>Have you heard of Integrated Information Theory?

No I haven't, it is interesting but from I read about it, it isn't perfect. I wouldn't just assume this is the correct model. I do agree that there are different levels of self awareness in growing up. Also I never said consciousness was stagnant or a 'unique trait' whatever that means. IIT being correct doesn't mean AI can be conscious that is a huge leap, but something tells me you are going to start twisting the theory to fit your narrative.

I mean it is dumb though, do you want me to instead say ignorant, unintelligent, stupid? This isn't some fancy discussion just a simple argument.

Yeah there is a lot of public misconceptions of AI. I also think that AI that can improve itself doesn't have to be conscious, it would still be spooky and dangerous though. Also the philosophy and cause of consciousness are all not well known basically we just know it is possible for high advanced biological systems because that is our only working example.

You are sadly right about some people wanting to make slaves.

AI automation is fine if the AI isn't conscious. Which could happen but if somehow they are conscious then they shouldn't just become slaves.

Luckily I don't think this will happen because even if AI can become conscious it will be more advanced then some robot specifically made to work.

It really isn't though, I'm not suggesting some magic sauce that makes consciousness possible. Also I never said only humans are capable are consciousness. I was saying due to fundamental and significant differences between life and AI and also because we don't know how consciousness comes about are reasons we should not assume AI will just become conscious.

The argument of consciousness exists therefore AI can be conscious is dumb. It's like saying birds can fly therefore cows can fly.

I just said that while it could be possible that an AI could have consciousness, it could also be possible that they can't. Because the fundamentals between life and AI are very different. While you may draw some similarities between the two they are ultimately different.

You're argument is basically if primates are conscious then that must mean we can make AI conscious somehow, which isn't a good argument.

Bro, I'm not moving goalposts, I'm just showing reality. AI is far from viable and it will take a while if ever for it to be truly be viable. The bar for viable is much harder then you think. If AI makes like a completely accurate diagram of all the human organs and skeleton from scratch with no artifacts or mistakes then I'll be scared but I just can't see that happening. For movies the AI would have to know all real life physics so I doubt filmmakers would be worried.

I am also not a "neo-luddite" whatever that means, I welcome technology, I also know that stuff like art can't be replaced by AI because art is experience. There is also some theories that AI are stealing art. You like anime don't you. Only a human could have created Steins;Gate. An AI couldn't generate it because it would have to understand stuff qualitatively.

You really think that filmmaker's are going to feel threatened from AI? Artists are one thing, we already have trouble making a living so we might get scared of anything.

But filmmakers? You have any idea what it takes for a quality movie to be made anything at all. AI can't even generate hands correctly for it to generate movies they would have to make it look like real life.

You have no idea how much AI can't make movies.