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Rumianti6 t1_iy5wn9q wrote

Very true, that is the biggest problem that I'm preparing to face in the future. Making money as an artist is going to get a lot harder. There is also the fact that I as an artist don't think AI right now is good enough to be used as a tool or atleast not as anything beyond a photoshop type tool. That won't stop corporations though from applying these AI as soon as possible. Cherry pick some images that are passable enough for the public because who cares about the finer details?

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Rumianti6 OP t1_iy18nhx wrote

We won't be replaced obviously because it requires AHI. Only job will change in a massive way though, I'm not ready for it personally. It will be the biggest change the art world has ever seen.

But the thing is creativity is a skill and in art you need both technical skill and creative skill. AI may get rid of the technical part but the creative skill is still needed. It is hard for me to get a good idea so obviously artists won't be replaced or obsolete people will still need creative people to make the art they didn't even know they wanted.

I'd say 30-40 years all plumbing will be done by robotics. It only requires an AI that knows plumbing and a sufficient body which will be much easier than people think.

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Rumianti6 OP t1_iy185f9 wrote

The thing is that it will eventually be made cheaper. That is how automation works. In the future once robots are cheap enough to replace trade jobs then the trade people will be replaced. I'm sorry if you don't wanna hear it that is just the truth.

Yes you do need human level AI. You seem very uneducated when it comes to synthetic media in general. Humans are the ones who use the AI to make the images kinda like using a pencil. Once AI image generators become viable which I'm guessing will happen in 8-12 years. Then it will be normalized as a tool like any other. A AI who have to be human level to independently create art like a human does with all the complexity that it requires. AHI is long ways off 60-150 years.

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Rumianti6 OP t1_iy174fd wrote

>Robotics is advancing but not as fast as ai

That isn't my claim, I said it will advance faster once AI supports both it's research and development.

>Even if they had perfect robots in the lab today it would take time to roll them out and produce them for the entire industry to be automated

It will happen though, especially when you see how useful it will be.

>You seem to be the one with an ego as an artist hoping you won’t be replaced by ai until ahi arrives

No not really it is the truth, let me explain. AI-generated imagery as it stands is a flat collage of input, humans are the ones that get it to make images kinda like a tool. For AI to replace artists it would have to make art reflecting a three-dimensional trajectory through references of sociocultural, psychological, and spatial properties. It reflects a distinct form, and this is originality. Basically it would need to be at human level.

Face it, "go to trade school" is the new "learn how to code" meme. You will be replaced whether you like it or not.

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Rumianti6 OP t1_iy15cp3 wrote

Trades aren't easily replaced but they can be replaced. With AI progress going at it's rate as well as robotics going with the AI progress once it kicks off. You guys are fucked. Your ego is the only reason you can't fathom an AI replacing you in like 40 years you think it is centuries away but that is not the case.

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Rumianti6 OP t1_iy14fmh wrote

You are just stating things you think is hard for AI to replace. You sound like a trade person since you are defending it so much but I will assume you aren't lying for good faith.

Trade will be replaced before artists because you don't need human level AI for trade jobs to be replaced just advanced robotics and a sufficient AI.

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Rumianti6 OP t1_iy0w4yo wrote

I believe with advanced AI and humans researching robotics in the future combined with more financial incentive will make Robotics cheaper and viable for specialty stuff.

I don't believe in exponential progress but I believe it does get faster quick and Robotics isn't an exception to this rule.

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Rumianti6 OP t1_iy0u6ep wrote

Literally none of those things require AGI. I think an advanced enough AI would be able to do that and again robotics is advancing and I think getting to that level of robotics will be much sooner than you would like to think.

I know you really want to keep your job but you can't wish this progress away.

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Rumianti6 t1_iwreiv5 wrote

You can't run from this, I will educate you. AI-generated imagery as it stands is a flat collage of input. Human artists also reproduce what is put into them. At this point I'd say they are the same, initially, but humans do it three-dimensionally. AI does it flat.

The human neural network is comparatively more detailed than AI as it stands currently, and human art reflects a three-dimensional trajectory through references of sociocultural, psychological, and spatial properties. It reflects a distinct form, and this is originality.

AI-generated art is inferior not because it is "merely" from an AI: they are qualitatively the same as us: but because it is one-dimensional replications of collages of actual originality.

I just dislike humans being elevated qua humans without dissecting that matter.

The truth is that AI art is no where near human art.

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Rumianti6 OP t1_irsmhk0 wrote

So are you saying because fire is made then therefore AI has to be conscious? If so that is a horrible argument. Throw a bunch a neurons key word together in a certain pattern than yes. AI isn't made out of neurons though the fundamentals are different and the pattern while similar superficially, isn't similar overall.

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Rumianti6 OP t1_irsm2f9 wrote

That is intelligence not consciousness

Of course you misinterpret my example ok. Not literal ice and fire. The point is that they are different. Also what you said doesn't even work because ice is cold water by definition. Don't try to use any other liquid I am talking about water.

It seems like you have no idea what I am even talking about. Of course you don't this is r/singularity after all where logic is thrown to the curb.

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Rumianti6 OP t1_irs9an5 wrote

Consciousness is the ability to have experience. Machines aren't already conscious, you are free to try proving they are but you will fail. Ultimately you can't 100% prove something is conscious or not due to our limited understanding of consciousness and the constant shifting of what conscious means.

What separates humans is mostly language.

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Rumianti6 OP t1_irs8d0h wrote

And you are misinterpreting my example it isn't literal. The point was to say that AI and life are fundamentally different. More accurately it is like saying you can make a machine fly by just giving it a bunch of legs on top of each other and saying that is will fly eventually.

I already know you are not going to interpret what I'm saying correctly so just give me the next brain dead argument.

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