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Representative_Pop_8 t1_jdl49gr wrote
Reply to If earth was a smooth sphere, which direction would water flow when placed on the surface? by Axial-Precession
to the equator due to earth spinning , it would try to form a ( smooth version of) shape like that of earth which is larger at the equator due to spinning
Representative_Pop_8 t1_jd7wmdp wrote
Reply to comment by 3SquirrelsinaCoat in A New Mission Will Search for Habitable Planets at Alpha Centauri by Aeromarine_eng
I think the plan is to send a chain, reason is that the v prices would be too small to power any type of transmitter that could reliably reach earth, so you use the train to relay. also redundancy since space v dust could damage some probes
Representative_Pop_8 t1_jd7wa2b wrote
Reply to comment by Kal-El_Skywalker1998 in A New Mission Will Search for Habitable Planets at Alpha Centauri by Aeromarine_eng
which project, I only heard the one with the microprobes powered by sails, starshot I think that was called. but that was one way as far as I recall, since you need a laser to power them, which you won't have at destination for the return trip
I don't see how we could do round trip with any type of technology we can design for at least several centuries.
Representative_Pop_8 t1_ja1f2qz wrote
Reply to comment by beders in New agi poll says there is 50% chance of it happening by 2059. Thoughts? by possiblybaldman
it know the language it also hallucinates, but in pretty good English. humans can also invent fake stories that doent mean they don't know the language
Representative_Pop_8 t1_ja1eoph wrote
Reply to comment by beders in New agi poll says there is 50% chance of it happening by 2059. Thoughts? by possiblybaldman
chatGPT can reason about language, itv is not equivalent to the operator it is v equivalent to the v while Chinese room system, which clearly understands
Representative_Pop_8 t1_j9wsu89 wrote
Reply to comment by beders in New agi poll says there is 50% chance of it happening by 2059. Thoughts? by possiblybaldman
you're not getting it, the operator doesn't know chinese, but the whole setup does. chatGPT clearly understands several languages, it doesn't need to be conscious to understand.
Representative_Pop_8 t1_j9wp2cc wrote
Reply to comment by FpRhGf in What are the big flaws with LLMs right now? by fangfried
I think ChatGPT has finer grained data. in fact I did teach Spanish piglatin ( geringoso) to ChatGPT and it did learn it after about a dozen promts even though it insisted that it didn't know and couldn't learn it.
i had to ask to play role as a person that knew the piglatin I tought him. Funny thing is it ranted about not being able to do the translation, and they l that I wanted to know I could v apply the rules muy self! but next paragraph it said something like. " but the person would have said..." followed by a pretty decent translation
Representative_Pop_8 t1_j9vm63x wrote
Reply to comment by Silly_Awareness8207 in New agi poll says there is 50% chance of it happening by 2059. Thoughts? by possiblybaldman
no, that's not true. to make a next generation of computers you need the cumulative efforts of thousands of engineers, scientists businessmen etc. you could have an ai as smart as two very bright humans and it is unlikely it would on its own develop a better AI.
Representative_Pop_8 t1_j9vlnsa wrote
Reply to comment by beders in New agi poll says there is 50% chance of it happening by 2059. Thoughts? by possiblybaldman
in the Chinese room it is not the operator that knows Chinese, it is the setuo of rules + operator that clearly knows Chinese. A llm spent needed to be conscious to master language
Representative_Pop_8 t1_j9vl9ym wrote
Reply to comment by beders in New agi poll says there is 50% chance of it happening by 2059. Thoughts? by possiblybaldman
they have absolutely mastered language.
Representative_Pop_8 t1_j9vkrdx wrote
Reply to New agi poll says there is 50% chance of it happening by 2059. Thoughts? by possiblybaldman
the report is from before chatGPT was released, if you do the poll now i think the average date will be much sooner
Representative_Pop_8 t1_j9nds3s wrote
Reply to comment by AnakinRagnarsson66 in Is ASI An Inevitability Or A Potential Impossibility? by AnakinRagnarsson66
a computer also doesn't need to have a billion copies of its blueprints and the nano machines to replicate its components like we have with dna proteins, etc
Representative_Pop_8 t1_j9am232 wrote
Reply to comment by Surur in Stop ascribing personhood to complex calculators like Bing/Sydney/ChatGPT by [deleted]
>The simple fact is that at its most basic, consciousness means being able to perceive and respond to external stimuli.
if you mean perceive as consciously perceive then yes, you needed subjective experience to have consciousness. It is not just responding to external stimuli.
consciousness is having sentience and subjective experience in general.
a toilet can respond to external stimulus, remove water when you press the lever and add water until it senses it is full, I am pretty confident it is not conscious.
>It's merely because of all the nonsense you add that you can claim supremacy over a simple car.
what part is nonsense? all I said is the basic understanding of consciousness from everyday experience, medical definitions, and philosophical ones too.
I am also not saying a car can't have consciousness, it is just you seem to not know what consciousness is, and mix the concept with some mechanical response to inputs.
Representative_Pop_8 t1_j9acqb1 wrote
Reply to comment by Surur in Stop ascribing personhood to complex calculators like Bing/Sydney/ChatGPT by [deleted]
consciousness is having sentience at that instant, There are other uses of the word ofcourse like the moral consciousness , but that is not what everyone here is talking about. When people use consciousness / sentient in regards to AI they are pretty much using as synonims. Sentient is much more specific , while consciousness does indeed have other meanings not neceserily implying sentience. But even the first defintion you provided implies sentience. like mentioned before the difference between being awake vs not is being sentient or not, you dont feel anything when asleep you do when awake
Representative_Pop_8 t1_j9a915t wrote
Reply to comment by Surur in Stop ascribing personhood to complex calculators like Bing/Sydney/ChatGPT by [deleted]
it's not about being self referential, it is the subjective experience, the difference between what you Feel when awake vs when asleep (not dreaming) . The body is still making calculations like the tesla when asleep it regulates breathing and heartbeats, measures water and nutrients, it can wake you up if there is is a loud sound or if you really need to drink or go to the bathroom. The Tesla could be doing all those calculations without being awake.
even we when awake we do a huge part of our thought processing unconsciously. You are not aware of the thousands of cones in your eyes nor in the individual strength of the light each cone detects depending on light frequency, you just see the summary created by your unconscious brain, it unconsciously processed all the information and you just ( consciously) see an array of pixels classified in a totally arbitrary classification of "colors"
I am not saying that an AI, even a tesla can't possibly ever be sentient, just that it is not enough to have what you mentioned in your post on top.
Representative_Pop_8 t1_j9a49ry wrote
Reply to comment by Difficult_Review9741 in Stop ascribing personhood to complex calculators like Bing/Sydney/ChatGPT by [deleted]
i would find it extremely unlikely but not 100%, what if consciousness is some quantum property, kind of like charge, that normally is balanced out so a rock would be neutral charged but if measured precisely surely has a tiny charge, while by special processes like a vandegraff generator you can break b that balance.
now even if a rock has some of that consciousness property it likely still wouldn't be conscious by the standards we normally use since they're is no thought process or input signals it can be conscious of..
Representative_Pop_8 t1_j9a2r04 wrote
Reply to comment by Surur in Stop ascribing personhood to complex calculators like Bing/Sydney/ChatGPT by [deleted]
you are not even understanding the definitions right. consciousness, as we are discussing here and generally understood implies an internal state of awareness or wakefulness, not just responding to inputs. its not mumbo jumbo and if you still don't know what consciousness is then you might be a philosophical zombie.
"the quality or state of being aware especially of something within oneself"
"the state of being characterized by sensation, emotion, volition, and thought : MIND"
Representative_Pop_8 t1_j967lff wrote
Reply to comment by Surur in Stop ascribing personhood to complex calculators like Bing/Sydney/ChatGPT by [deleted]
But that is not what consciousness is. consciousness is not about responding to surroundings , a toilet knows when it is full of water but that doesn't make it conscious.
Consciousness is being able to subjectively feel things in its inside, like we do, the difference between being awake vs when asleep and we dont feel anything.
Representative_Pop_8 t1_j95q67u wrote
Reply to comment by Surur in Stop ascribing personhood to complex calculators like Bing/Sydney/ChatGPT by [deleted]
i doubt any company wants to create a conscious machine right now, since as seen by Bing the moment some people right or wrong assign it sentience is the moment you start getting discussions about regulating " rights " for AI systems , that is not good for something you wish to use as a usefully tool.
we couldnt really don't know what causes consciousness either so we wouldn't know how to make a conscious machine and be sure it is conscious if we wanted to, other than recreating a human brain molecule by molecule.
Now consciousness could well be something that can be made with a machine of different construction than a human brain, but we've don't know the method that does that. Due to this lack of knowledge , even though unlikely, we can't even truly completely rule out that a thing like chatGPT could be sentient( but I don't think it is)
Representative_Pop_8 t1_j95phq2 wrote
what is a divine spark? while i am not saying chatGPT is sentient i can't really rule it out. what is the specific physical process or property that a pig has an an AI can't have?
Representative_Pop_8 t1_j917for wrote
Reply to comment by typhoonador4227 in Apple Pushing to Launch Search Engine to Rival Google by DragonWarrior566
I think in depth computer knowledge is beginning to go down in younger generation, people in the teens and low twenties don't even know what a dime much less a file system is, unless they specifically are trained as developers
Representative_Pop_8 t1_j8wh8gd wrote
Reply to comment by [deleted] in Is chatGPT actually an AI? by Snipgan
it is at the very least something half way between narrow and general, but i'd argue it is already a ,very simple and limited, AGI
Representative_Pop_8 t1_j8wbau9 wrote
Reply to comment by [deleted] in Is chatGPT actually an AI? by Snipgan
i find it very hard to classify chatGPT as narrow. Sure it was trained only on language, but that allows it to handle an extreme range of subjects, even if not being specifically trained to. Many of the things it can't do are not so much related to its internal capacities but to the lack of external sensors to connect it to the world ( no senses), it not able to see nor make images ( thogh its cousin dall-e already can) , and it is not allow to keep its memory between sessions which seriously cripples its ability to do on context learning.
So, while not as broad as a human intelligence yet, i wouldn't say it is narrow, it is an AGI but not yet at human level on most subjects.
Representative_Pop_8 t1_j8wahj1 wrote
Reply to comment by valis010 in Is chatGPT actually an AI? by Snipgan
the Turing test is not and no one pretends it to be a test of sentience, it is a test of intelligence which is completely dientes concept.
a dog is sentient and would never pass a Turing test. chatGpt is (most likely) not sentient but could pass a Touring test.
Representative_Pop_8 t1_jed3i9n wrote
Reply to Will LLMs accelerate the adoption of English as a primary language? by ReadditOnReddit
current llm are as good in most major languages as in English, so no.