RenegadeMoose

RenegadeMoose t1_jaxre3x wrote

Dumb question, but why is the red line between 10km/h and 20km/h plotted so much higher above the dense mass of dots below it?

Shouldn't the red line be coming in a bit lower and angling up a bit steeper along that part of the graph?

( or are all those low-density outliers above the red line causing it to appear higher up? )

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RenegadeMoose t1_izhanbb wrote

I think the Dorian invasion is earlier than the Bronze Age collapse. By 500 years or so? It could be there are other arrows on this map that are earlier or later.

I think there is no simple explanation to the events surrounding the Bronze Age collapse; and perhaps that's why it's so tantalizing to speculate about.

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RenegadeMoose t1_it556r2 wrote

That's an interesting point. One could argue the Trojans weren't actually Greeks, but then other says there are Trojan names in the Illiad that translate to Greek ( leading some to speculate that the citizens of Troy were a mix of Trojans and Greeks when the siege was happening ).

Others dispute the story altogether.

But there is that "Etruscan" linguistic angle ( that Etruscan doesn't fit with other local languages back then, lending weight to the idea they came from Troy ).

I once wondered where the word Etruscan came from and if it was some kind of form of "ex-trojan"? (e-troyscan ? I dunno). We'll never know for sure, but all that bronze-age stuff (like, 1000-1600BCE or so? ) is just great fun to speculate on :D

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RenegadeMoose t1_it420y0 wrote

I heard a group of about 40,000 went with to Constantinople from Rome when Constantine made it the new capital.

But really, I prefer to think of it as:

  • The Romans conquered the Greeks way back when.
  • But several centuries later the Romans moved to the East, you could almost say Greek culture conquered the Romans :o
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