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Puj_ t1_iz6o84b wrote

If the origin of the outbreak was the wet markets from infected imported bats, we would be able to detect earlier versions of the virus within market animals that should have spread around prior to it jumping to humans. To my knowledge, there is just no evidence of its history in the markets. Yes, viruses can jump species, but it takes time and we should be able to see its history. The lack of information and evidence here is apparently enough for a lot of virologists to doubt Covid's origins.

I don't think that virologists would be debating the origins of Covid as heavily as they are if the situation was really as clear and simple as you make it out to be. If you claim to have an understanding, you may be coming to that conclusion with valid points, but you are ignoring many factors and the arguments surrounding them. We don't know what happened.

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Puj_ t1_iz3gpfo wrote

Obviously the question was posed with a conspiratorial theme in mind, but to be fair, "virologists" do not agree on a common explanation for Covid's existence. If it originated from Wuhan wet markets, we would be able to detect the presence of older variants within market animals, and to my knowledge, none have been found.

I am desperately trying to not be conspiratorial, but here are the facts: A massive outbreak of a bat-based virus occurred in a large Chinese city far away from where any native bat populations could have harbored the virus. There is also zero concrete evidence of the virus jumping from any species to another, all we got was a virus that was off-the-bat good at infecting humans, which is not normal when compared to literally every outbreak in human history.

While not evidence, but instead a massive red flag, is the fact that this outbreak, of a bat-based virus, happened in THE city with an extremely well funded VIROLOGY LAB THAT STUDIES BAT VIRUSES. And, iirc, right after the outbreak occurred, there was news spreading around of a lot of discord and chaos around the Wuhan lab prior to the outbreak. Not evidence, just... context.

I don't care about the politics of this, but, due to the varying accounts of what happened on both sides, combined with the sheer lack of concrete evidence of how Covid came to be, combined with the fact that the leak originated from an area with an extremely advanced virology lab, I don't think its very conspiratorial to think that it was, to some degree, man-made.

Its really difficult to disconnect standpoints on these issues from political motivations, but all things considered, the way that I have seen the evidence explained, I really don't see how anybody can disbelieve that it was made in a lab, besides from taking politician's assurance at face value. Please don't cite "the virologists said so", because no, only one side's virologists are saying that, we really don't know what happened for sure and there is simply a lack of evidence surrounding what happened.

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tldr: We don't know what happened, stop acting like we do.

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