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PORTOGAZI t1_iyf31ia wrote

Reply to comment by pucklermuskau in Who ‘pioneered’ the transition from old school hip hop to melodic rap? by trytoholdon

ughh .. lots of typos .. incoherent post on my part...

the tldr: Having bits of melody on a record was hardly the strength of Liquid Swords or 36 chambers ... they were grimy NON-POP albums. Plenty of rappers had melodic songs earlier than GZA's solo stuff ... 93 till infinity? when OP says "melodic" rap they're likely talking about modern POP-RAP ...it all sounds like sound-design with digital reverbs, auto-tuned half-sang vocals (thx to Drake). This is a complete shift from boom-bap hiphop where the emcees were the focus. This is basically pop music now.

The shift from rap sounding underground and FOR hiphop-heads happened in the mid/late 90s when the commercial stuff started to sound closer to Backstreet Boys than its origin.
I'm all for progress but this felt more like selling out ... pandering to people who don't actually LIKE rap music and making it watered down for their soft ears. Punk music went through the same decline thanks to pop groups like Blink182 which introduced millions of suburban kids to an edgy genre -- free of any discomfort.

As Q tip says in Check the Rhyme -- "Rap is not pop, if you'll call it that you'll stop it." or something to that effect.

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PORTOGAZI t1_iyexep5 wrote

Reply to comment by pucklermuskau in Who ‘pioneered’ the transition from old school hip hop to melodic rap? by trytoholdon

While 36 chambers is perfect it’s like the absolute antitheses to OPs question. Theyre talking about modern pop-rap and Wu tang were far from it, despite being big commercially.

I’d credit Puff Daddy for ruining hip-hop starting with Mace — when 'mo money mo problems' came out I knew it was trouble. Sure enough with subsequent hits, everything edgy and exciting about hiphop just softened.

Then came g-unit, sure they rapped about gangtsa shit but it sounded like boy band music with rapping on top -- and aimed at 12 year olds. The fact that Mobb Deep ended up fucking with g-unit hurts to this day.

After that we gotta point the finger at T-pain for the auto-tuned vocals and then drake for the sound design beats and hang-sang rap.

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PORTOGAZI t1_iyewu4t wrote

Reply to comment by SnowsInAustralia in Who ‘pioneered’ the transition from old school hip hop to melodic rap? by trytoholdon

????? The first rap song ever? You mean the first HIT RAP song. Rappers delight was made by an assembler boy-band of fake rappers from the burbs who stole their lines and styles from inner city rappers of the time. They blew up — made it raps first hit and got all the credit.

I forget most of the details but that’s the short. Can’t look at that song the same now.

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PORTOGAZI t1_ixkmrez wrote

Reply to I just got kicked out of my band by [deleted]

There’s so many things you could be doing to throw off a band that already had its groove. You might be a good player but I’ve rejected great guitarist just because they were too bluesy when I wanted more punk for example.

Or despite being shit hot they overplay all the time. Always too loud. It’s amazing how many musicians are too dense to grasp this concept. Just because you have skllls doesn’t mean we need to notice them all the time.

Considering how nice the text was it sounds like they’re good dudes who probably really wrestled over the decision. Albeit over text is shitty.

My friend was a drummer and his band all lived and practiced in a house and he woke up one morning and they were all fonenand took their gear. No explanation — after SEVEN YEARS.

4 months is still a dating period, and you’re still really young so get back out there. Meet some new people and pay close attention to your own behaviour. Are you pulling your weight? On time? Always broke ? Serving the song? Etc.

Good luck

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PORTOGAZI t1_ix1t4tq wrote

Reply to comment by Gloomy-Beautiful-943 in Struggling to get into rap by Gloomy-Beautiful-943

I consider Tribe to be the Beatles of hiphop. They didn’t make my favourite rap record (illmatic / 36 chambers) but the quality of records they have are top notch. Once you “get” them, it’s like hanging out with a couple of friends.

Tribe are a duo, Q-tip (the wise cool intellectual with the laid back high voice and silky smooth flow) and then Phife Dawg, (the short and feisty guy with a raspy voice). Such a perfect dichotomy.

The albums I’d focus on are:

Midnight marauders The low end theory Beats rhymes and life The love movement.

Anything before and after are ok but not them at their best IMO. ps I was a hardcore rock guy, HATED rap music before I found tribe, they completely changed my life in that regard because it was a gateway into the world of hiphop.

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