Oriin690
Oriin690 t1_iutn0xy wrote
Reply to comment by KaiDaiz in NYC to buy 51 electric school buses for $18.5 million by alexd231232
Apparently the electric bus route their going in involves refitting old buses to be electric so I imagine they're using those bought by BdB
Oriin690 t1_iutlynj wrote
Putting aside that seems like absurd pricing per vehicle, we could greatly reduce busing needs with expanded and better biking infrastructure. If we had more protected bike paths older children could reasonably and safely bike to school instead of bus. You could maybe even combine that with the existing citi bike service I imagine.
Oriin690 t1_iutl986 wrote
Reply to comment by elizabeth-cooper in NYC to buy 51 electric school buses for $18.5 million by alexd231232
All of those numbers are wildly different. So according to the mta a diesel bus is normally like 225k, the Columbia says electric is 300k more so it shoukd be only 65k for a diesel bus, and the white plains says it's 110k for diesel
Oriin690 t1_iutkmx6 wrote
Reply to comment by tmakalinao in For blue-collar and hourly work in New York City you should assume that the LOWEST end of the range is what they will offer 75% of the time with New York’s new transparency law by tmakalinao
>up to $17 per hour
Geico, you can save up to 15 percent or more on your car insurance!
So in other words it could be anything, you just said a random number that has zero commitment behind it
Oriin690 t1_iutcz1j wrote
Reply to comment by Osceana in I love this city even as I hate it haha. No place comes close to the catharsis NYC can produce and this is hilarious but the NORM by Loxodontox
Unlucky, they said it's rare
Oriin690 t1_iug1ixe wrote
Reply to comment by slipperyzoo in [I ate] NY pizza by blueblink77
There are seven 2 bros locations not 50 and there are not that many 1 dollar/99c stores left besides those relative to the thousands of other pizza stores.
Also 2 bros sells their pizza for 1.50 now so that's not even true to begin with.
Oriin690 t1_iueahcd wrote
Reply to comment by BurnedBeyond in [I ate] NY pizza by blueblink77
99 cent places are rare now, most regular slices are $2.75~3.25
Oriin690 t1_iuy9a8t wrote
Reply to comment by [deleted] in NYC to buy 51 electric school buses for $18.5 million by alexd231232
Tbh I always forgets about the snow but that's a problem other cities have dealt with. In particular we should look at the Netherlands, where 75 percent of children below the age of 12 bike to school (many with parents to be clear especially the younger ones).
In the Netherlands this article talks about snow. Essentially they have a prepared winter maintenance network to clean the bike lanes quickly and in order of priority, somewhat similar in idea I think to the winter street network we already have here to clean the roads since that horrible winter a few years ago where everything was snowed in for like a week.
As for ages, in the Netherlands many children bike from ages 6-9 with their parents, and after that often alone. A strange idea I know in the US where children are rarely let out alone, but that's not actually due to the danger of strangers, but rather due to the rise of suburbia and car culture designed cities https://youtu.be/oHlpmxLTxpw . Which is also why NYC is a bit of an exception to this already with arguably the only real public transport service.
https://www.hollandbiketours.com/news/how-do-dutch-children-learn-to-ride-their-bikes-in-traffic/
https://mobycon.com/updates/the-five-pillars-of-dutch-children-cycling/
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/cycling-school-netherlands-numbers-what-can-we-learn-%C3%B5nne-kask#:~:text=It%20was%20normal%20that%20children,child%20alone%20in%20the%20traffic
>when having to travel more than a couple of miles, especially in the winter
First of all students should not have to travel miles to get to school within nyc. The city is dense there should be at least one school within a mile of people if not multiple.
Admittedly most students who use the bus are going to a school of preferred choice in another neighborhood but even taking that into account the average school bus commute is 20 minutes in NYC. Bikes are signficantly faster than buses with (less stops plus speed limits plus acceleration) so that's only 10 minutes via bike give or take 3~4 minutes depending on the bike and assuming good bike lanes.
Second of all you could even add in Ebikes. Ebikes are incredible, they require far less effort to peddle and are also faster, although I would stick with regular bikes since it's good exercise. I recently tried one for the first time (the nice white citi bike one) and rode in a circle around the entire Central Park easily and I'm out of shape. They are straight up just better than cars except in terms of safety when on car dominated roads.
Really the biggest concerns are the demographics of students using buses. Just under half are homeless. I'm not sure whether it makes sense to offer them bikes as an alternative. It seems to me it'd be superior since they get a free bike to transport them around in general. On the other hand they likely might not have the space or security to keep it. So I'll assume it wouldnt work for most of them although I'd guess at least some could.
Plus amongst the remaining half a significant number take the bus due to disabilities. Obviously these disabilities would prevent biking. Although I imagine there could be special ebikes for some disabled people.
TLDR: bike paths can be maintained in winter, older children (above 9) can bike on their own if we create better bike lanes with a more expansive network, and bikes can easily transport students as far as a bus would take them within nyc.
However after reading about bus demographics in NYC it seems bikes don't make sense for many if not the majority of the students who use school buses anyways.