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No_Bison_3116 OP t1_ismbm9l wrote
Reply to comment by jerfo in Spinoza, Marx and Psychiatry by No_Bison_3116
Yeah, the DSM got worse to the point that the NIMH and Thomas Insel rejected it as pseudo-scientific. So, the DSM is invalid and the DSM categories can't reliably be diagnosed by clinicians. That is the basis idiot :
Published in the journal Neuron, Raymond Dolan—considered one of the most influential neuroscientists in the world—co-authored “Functional Neuroimaging in Psychiatry and the Case for Failing Better,” concluding, “Despite three decades of intense neuroimaging research, we still lack a neurobiological account for any psychiatric condition.”
Reflecting on the more than 16,000 neuroimaging articles published during the last 30 years, Dolan and his co-authors concluded: “It remains difficult to refute a critique that psychiatry’s most fundamental characteristic is its ignorance. . . . Casting a cold eye on the psychiatric neuroimaging literature invites a conclusion that despite 30 years of intense research and considerable technological advances, this enterprise has not delivered a neurobiological account (i.e., a mechanistic explanation) for any psychiatric disorder, nor has it provided a credible imaging-based biomarker of clinical utility.”
In 2011, establishment psychiatrist Ronald Pies, Editor-in-Chief Emeritus of the Psychiatric Times, stated: “In truth, the ‘chemical imbalance’ notion was always a kind of urban legend—never a theory seriously propounded by well-informed psychiatrists.”
Anyway, the onus of proof is not on 'mental illness' deniers but on the people who proclaim it exists with no scientific proof :
There is no evidence for the supposed “science” of psychiatry. There is no test for any mental illness, no proof of causation, no evidence of successful “treatment” that relates specifically to an individual disorder, and no accurate prediction of future cases. Thus, the claim that psychiatric constructs are real disease has not been proven.
No_Bison_3116 OP t1_iradxjk wrote
Reply to comment by Blizzwalker in Spinoza, Marx and Psychiatry by No_Bison_3116
Most science outside of physics is politically motivated statistical manipulation and physics is not 100% immune either. Physics is the king of the sciences and math is the Queen-- Psychiatry is clown world. Aristotle's natural philosophy turned into physics but Plato's philosophy of the mind is not tangible --the wall of the mind is intangible and metaphysical. Since, physics is the king of the sciences all sciences must obey its laws but to say psychiatric nosology obeys the laws of physics is nonsensical and obviously not true. If a 'disease" in the DSM were found to exist it would move to neurology.
Why Most Published Research Findings are False :
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1182327/
"In the paper, Ioannidis argued that a large number, if not the majority, of published medical research papers contain results that cannot be replicated. In simple terms, the essay states that scientists use hypothesis testing to determine whether scientific discoveries are significant. "Significance" is formalized in terms of probability, and one formalized calculation ("P value") is reported in the scientific literature as a screening mechanism. Ioannidis posited assumptions about the way people perform and report these tests; then he constructed a statistical model which indicates that most published findings are false positive results."
It is impossible for true science to exist under Capitalism.
Karl Marx's theory of historical materialism states that the source of human progress and historical change is not to be found in “legal relations” or “political forms,” but rather “in the material conditions of life”. By this Marx means that the economic relations of human beings determine all other relations in that society. Material survival rather than the development of rationality and spiritual thinking forms the fundamental basis of human endeavour in each historical epoch. Since, the development of rationality is sorely lacking in Capitalist society real science does not exist or is in the minority and contained largely to physics.
Psychiatry is an ISA ( Ideological State Apparatus) in Capitalist society. It masquerades as a branch of medicine and a science so that its propositions seem like neutral and objective discourse that is detached from elite control by that is far from the truth
No_Bison_3116 OP t1_ir9tnhb wrote
Reply to comment by johnnyknack in Spinoza, Marx and Psychiatry by No_Bison_3116
Why does one need justification for that ?Why not just pure Iogic and reason ? I know Europe largely uses the ICD and America the DSM but AFAIK and both are based around the 'individual defect theory'. It is funny how society tries to jump through hoops, mental hoops, here, to try to defend the status quo --in this case Psychiatry.
No_Bison_3116 OP t1_ir5xk63 wrote
Reply to comment by johnnyknack in Spinoza, Marx and Psychiatry by No_Bison_3116
Nope, the author of the piece is a clinical psychologist so is considered by society to be more 'authoritative' on the issue. I attended a college in the State University of New York system for computer science. However, I know more about science and philosophy than the average person. In relation to this subreddit I am mostly familiar with Schopenhauer, Wittgenstein and Marx but read just one of Nietzsche's books.
I am not that impressed by the article too much. The Enlightenment, that Spinoza was a part of, was a movement of a growing and confident middle class or petite bourgeoisie. It seems out of place in late Capitalist society.
I prefer the Marxist analyses of Mental Illness.
No_Bison_3116 OP t1_ir57ffu wrote
Reply to comment by SHG098 in Spinoza, Marx and Psychiatry by No_Bison_3116
Troubled Persons Industries : The Expansion of Psychiatric Categories beyond Psychiatry by Martin Harbusch
Anatomy of an Epidemic: Magic Bullets, Psychiatric Drugs, and the Astonishing Rise of Mental Illness in America by Robert Whitaker
Mad Science: Psychiatric Coercion, Diagnosis, and Drugs By Stuart A. Kirk, Tomi Gomory and David Cohen
No_Bison_3116 OP t1_ir39v0f wrote
Reply to comment by Blizzwalker in Spinoza, Marx and Psychiatry by No_Bison_3116
Schizophrenia obviously does not exist. The unlearned masses may be dazzled by scientific sounding Greek and Latin terms but men of high capacity are not fooled. Many people mistake knowing the name of something for understanding something :
"Psychiatric insiders have openly admitted the lack of science to their area of operations. Allen Frances (cited in Whitaker and Cosgrove 2015: 61), for example, has recently stated that the mental disorders given in the DSM are “better understood as no more than currently convenient constructs or heuristics that allow [psychiatrists] to communicate with one another.” This has included the classic constructs of schizophrenia and bipolar disorder (formerly manic-depression), of which the mental health researcher Joel Paris at the Department of Psychiatry, McGill University, has admitted “[i]n reality, we do not know whether [such] conditions … are true diseases” (cited in Whitaker and Cosgrove 2015: 61). Even National Institute of Mental Health (NIMH) director and strong advocate of biomedical psychiatry, Thomas Insel (cited in Masson 2015: xii), announced on the release of the DSM-5 in 2013 that the categories of mental disorder lacked validity and NIMH would no longer be using such diagnoses for research purposes.Despite the claims to “progress” made by official historians of psychiatry such as Lieberman and Shorter, there is no evidence for the supposed “science” of psychiatry. There is no test for any mental illness, no proof of causation, no evidence of successful “treatment” that relates specifically to an individual disorder, and no accurate prediction of future cases. Thus, the claim that psychiatric constructs are real disease has not been proven. Consequently, it is necessary to utilise the existing evidence to more accurately theorise the real vocation of the psy-professions in capitalist society."
Cohen, B.: "Psychiatric Hegemony: A Marxist Theory of Mental Illness" Palgrave- MacMillan
Bruce studied sociology in the north of England in the 1990s, and worked as a post-doctorate researcher at both the Humboldt University in Berlin and the University of South Australia in Adelaide in the early 2000s, before becoming a full-time academic in Sociology at the University of Auckland in 2008. With thirty years social research experience, he has undertaken empirical work on topics such as mental health user meanings of illness, community-based youth music projects, police perceptions of drug users, alternatives to psychiatric hospitalisation, migrant labour markets, female perceptions of crime and safety, and the criminalisation of ‘legal highs’. He has published over 40 academic books, articles, and chapters to date.
No_Bison_3116 OP t1_ir2jq9z wrote
Reply to comment by Blizzwalker in Spinoza, Marx and Psychiatry by No_Bison_3116
Schizophrenia obviously is a nonsensical category so is not valid. It was obvious to psychologist Don Bannister, back in 1968, that DSM criteria makes schizophrenia “a concept so diffuse as to be unusable in a scientific context.” Specifically, it is possible for one individual to be diagnosed with schizophrenia based on two symptoms that are completely different than the two symptoms of another individual similarly diagnosed.
It is also cannot be reliably assessed by clinicians with a kappa score of .46 and not .70 or above.
Much of what is considered a delusion is culturally and politically based and there are many high functioning people considered sane , by society, who 'hear voices'.
Schizophrenia does not exist it is just a wastebasket for disturbing behavior.
Also, people diagnosed with 'mental illness' have better recovery rates in 'third world' countries. My guess is because they are not exposed to the toxic Western psychiatric establishment.
No_Bison_3116 OP t1_ir2336a wrote
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Psychiatry is a fundamentally political project masquerading as a medical specialty and as scientific. It's impossible for Psychiatry to be scientific because it can only make historically and culturally bound propositions about it's patients or subjects. History is chronotopic which is the opposite of science and philosophy etc...
"What one thinks psychiatrists are up to depends crucially on what one thinks their patients are up to; and the latter question cannot be answered without taking an essentially political stand on what constitutes a “reasonable” response to a social situation."
Ingelby, D. (1980) ‘Understanding “Mental Illness”’, in Ingelby, D. (Ed.), Critical Psychiatry: The Politics of Mental Health (pp. 23–71). New York: Pantheon Books.
"Psychiatric diagnosis can be understood as functioning as a political device, in the sense that it legitimates a particular social response to aberrant behaviour of various sorts, but protects that response from any democratic challenge.”
Moncrieff, J. (2010) ‘Psychiatric Diagnosis as a Political Device’, Social Theory & Health, 8(4): 370–382.
So what is the real purpose of psychiatry in the Capitalist system ?
The capitalist class seeks to avoid responsibility for the many problems it causes, so it frames pain and suffering as somehow natural and inevitable. Psychiatry supports capitalism by ‘diagnosing’ socially-created problems as individual cognitive or biological defects, providing pseudoscientific ‘evidence’ for blaming the victims of the system. To use Erving Goffman’s metaphor, if capitalism is a con game, then the role of psychiatry is to ‘cool the losers’ of the system so they don’t squawk, expose the con, and take their revenge.
The medications 'work' by sedating or 'cooling off' the losers of the Capitalist system.
No_Bison_3116 t1_ir1qv6i wrote
Reply to comment by OldSchoolHardcoreG in How to Live In A World That Makes No F*cking Sense: Nietzsche and the Search for Superhuman Laughter by simsquatched
I would say that the world seems to make no sense due to the contradictions of Capitalism described by Karl Marx.
Karl Marx's theory of historical materialism states that the source of human progress and historical change is not to be found in “legal relations” or “political forms,” but rather “in the material conditions of life”; By this Marx means that the economic relations of human beings determine all other relations in that society. Material survival rather than the development of rationality and spiritual thinking forms the fundamental basis of human endeavour in each historical epoch.
Since , rational thinking is not the basis of society under Capitalism nothing seems to make sense.
No_Bison_3116 OP t1_ir1dsj2 wrote
Reply to comment by Leemour in Spinoza, Marx and Psychiatry by No_Bison_3116
Two fields dominate finding and pointing out general truths : philosophy and science but their methods are different. So it is not smart to mix Social Science and philosophy unless you are dealing with Marxism which is more than just a philosophy. He did mention Marxism but it wasn't his focus.
Also, there are plenty of sociological works critical of Psychiatry already and I would recommend "Psychiatric Hegemony : A Marxist Theory of Mental of Mental Illness" by Bruce M.Z. Cohen.
Submitted by No_Bison_3116 t3_xuzlj3 in philosophy
No_Bison_3116 OP t1_isnfuz9 wrote
Reply to comment by jerfo in Spinoza, Marx and Psychiatry by No_Bison_3116
1.)Frontal lobe damage and general brain damage is caused by psychiatric medications e.g. neuroleptics.
2.)There are no tests for 'mental disorders' including no genetic tests.
3.)Brain circuitry dysfunction is the new pseudo-scientific fad of psychiatry. Has it been disproven yet like chemical imbalance theory ?No, but the onus of proof is on Psychiatry not their opposition.
ADHD and OCD are some of the most clear cut cases of disorders serving the neoliberal capitalist class :
The contemporary moment of labelling children with mental disorders is strongly related to the requirements of late capitalism for compliant, disciplined, and higher-skilled workers.
Neo-liberal governance is typified by its emphasis on citizen involvement as individuals take independent action and become enterprises (or entrepreneurs) unto themselves and in a sense police themselves by internalising and enacting prevailing truths about the identification and management of risks … Neo-liberalism depends on self-governance (or in the case of children, governance by parents and similar authorities). For instance, mothers increasingly turn to … individualising children’s (mis)behaviour as disordered through mental illness discourse, of which attention deficit disorder (ADD)/Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) is the most prevalent around the globe today.
In case you don't know neoliberalism is the current mode of late Capitalism.