Haha no didn’t see they replied to post with same info. Juggling a call, texting friend, reading another subreddit, and trading stocks. Deleting reply now.

Unfortunately the story isn’t more widely known and hasn’t yet been folded into the general consciousness but is known by those who read the best selling book by David Gann called Killer of the Flower Moon (the Osage Murders the birth of the FBI). He’s an excellent author and does brilliant research.

Ive long been a podcast listener and heard him talk about the story in an interview he did here in 2018:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/new-books-in-native-american-studies/id427425949?i=1000407497597

This was riveting (if slightly dry) listen because grew up in Texas and never heard about these murders or about the calculating evil betrayal their spouses engaged in.

Sad thing about the Gann book is it was started in 2014 but came out in 2017 just before the huge increase of True Crime podcasts so it was somewhat too early to the listening party.

The upcoming film adaptation might get more traction:

“The book was acquired for film adaptation by director Martin Scorsese in 2017. Starring Leonardo DiCaprio, Robert De Niro, Jesse Plemons, and Lily Gladstone, the film is set to be released theatrically by Paramount Pictures and stream on Apple TV+ in 2023.”

The David Gann book? (Killer of the Flower Moon, birth of the FBI)

He’s an excellent author and does brilliant research. I’ve long been a podcast listener and heard him talk about the story in an interview he did here in 2018:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/new-books-in-native-american-studies/id427425949?i=1000407497597

This was riveting (if slightly dry) listen because grew up in Texas and never heard about these murders or about the calculating evil betrayal their spouses engaged in.

When complex iffy legal treaties for land and mineral theft didn’t work the Osage spouses just outright slaughtered their Indian wives and family. All for oil and money tied to the then new industry. Insane.

Sad thing about the Gann book is it was started in 2014 but came out in 2017 just before the huge increase of True Crime podcasts so it was somewhat too early to the listening party.

The upcoming film adaptation due out this year might get more traction.

Unfortunately the story isn’t more widely known and hasn’t yet been folded into the general consciousness but is known by those who read the best selling book by David Gann called Killer of the Flower Moon (the Osage Murders the birth of the FBI). He’s an excellent author and does brilliant research. Ive long been a podcast listener and heard him talk about the story in an interview he did here in 2018:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/new-books-in-native-american-studies/id427425949?i=1000407497597

This was riveting (if slightly dry) listen because grew up in Texas and never heard about these murders or about the calculating evil betrayal their spouses engaged in. Further, I may have a little Indian blood in my family mix on my dads side who lived in OK then (we don’t think tied to Osage but yet to be determined which tribe exactly) and hearing the story further piqued my interest in genealogy and early US history to figure out how we all got here today, why are there so few Indians left (beyond obvious and known reasons) and facts of the systematic breaking of treaties with native indian tribes was a large part of it.

When treaties and theft didn’t work the Osage murderers just outright slaughtered their Indian wives and family. All for oil and money tied to the then new industry.

Sad thing about the Gann book is it was started in 2014 but came out in 2017 just before the huge increase of True Crime podcasts so it was somewhat too early to the listening party.

The upcoming film adaptation might get more traction:

“The book was acquired for film adaptation by director Martin Scorsese in 2017. Starring Leonardo DiCaprio, Robert De Niro, Jesse Plemons, and Lily Gladstone, the film is set to be released theatrically by Paramount Pictures and stream on Apple TV+ in 2023.”

Authors website: https://www.davidgrann.com/book/killers-of-the-flower-moon/

Such a shame about this building being so disrespected. It’s enormously influential and famous, has a rich history, is in a perfect location yet seems to attract awful owners who hire useless building managers.

This building could easily be half for artists use on the middle floors, a jazz club on the ground floor, and upper section for boutique tech or business HQ offices, maybe a wedding venue on a floor or even a small artsy pre-K school for kids. And the rooftop could have a beautiful green space with a day coffee shop/lounge for nighttime use.

It could offer a wide variety of uses for creatives who’d be inspired and have the best view of the park across the street, as well as the best view of the gorgeous old neighboring corner brick building across from it at 186 Fifth Ave.

About 186th 5th ave: “The attractive red brick and terracotta building was originally erected in 1883 by Henry J. Hardenbergh, the architect who is also responsible for the Plaza Hotel. The landmark building once housed The Western Union Telegraph Co. and is now partially converted to house four residential condominiums.”

Roosters do the fighting, chickens are security guards. Makes sense.

Excellent, Andy Byford knows his business. Was sad to hear he left the MTA a few years back.

He’s cool, calm, collected. Experienced with sorting train probs all over the world. Should be a great asset for Amtrak.

Another opens Tuesday on 14th st and soon a Bleecker st shop opens. Roll out has been consistent with issuing proper licensing to responsible sellers.

From the news release out today: “The first round of marijuana retail licenses were greenlit three dozen businesses, making way for the first legal dispensary to open last month off Broadway, also in Manhattan. New York reserved its first round of licenses for applicants with marijuana convictions or their relatives, plus some nonprofit groups.

As with some other initial dispensaries to be supported by the Fund, this will provide licensees the opportunity to open on a short-term basis to fast-track sales and start generating capital for their businesses, after which they will close for final construction and then re-open on a long-term basis," the governor's office said Thursday.”

If you have no patience and don’t understand how things work you can buy unknown crap from others as you like and complain all you want.

The ones I’m talking about that are trashy and sketchy don’t care about quality and consistency. They’re the equivalent of fast food, and not those clean well run locations.. which quality wise is actually at least regulated and stable in its own way.

The crap ones may not last for this reason, be unable to make enough to stay open so that’s good for better sellers..

They’re going because it’s novel. Young people will always fall for newness. This is going through the stage CBD did a few years ago.

People who know better are still getting good stuff from their Guy (who doesn’t have overhead costs). Stable prices, safe and top quality.. what these shops unregulated shops can’t offer. Many are about hawking adjacent smoking pipes, lighters, vapes and papers, and ultimately, are profit minded because they have high rent and taxes to pay.

Then yours is a legit style one probably wanting a license, not the ratty shady ones, or tacky ones with all neon storefronts, head shop/pawn shop look selling crap quality.

There’s a wide mix of shops all over and each are different so of course their intent and professionalism will vary widely. Some more legit ones do just want to focus on supplying high quality pot, others branched out already and are using pot sales as a front. Always happens when profits can be made selling other things.

And as weed competition grows and buyer base tops out they’ll be market attrition which forces those who want to survive to seek income from other sources even if wasn’t their initial intent. It’s normal to branch out ‘product’ wise but that’s exactly why I laid out the original argument.. the eventual effect over long term isn’t always rosy. Older folks know what I’m talking about.

Would’ve been thunder snow instead of rain if was properly cold. We’ve had that before

I’d agree copying a successful template may work for a dry start, that could be tweaked and adjusted after- if we were a smaller less complicated state but NYC and NY are legally the same, with very different legal dynamics and hurdles.

Definitely more complicated that anywhere else in that NYC alone is like a small country rather than just a city in NY.

Unlicensed dealers shouldn’t be allowed to sell but real estate folks are looking the other way and renting them store space, while after they set up enforcement is too lax and/or understaffed to shut them down.

As far as a timeline, this is an entirely new industry, an epochal change and multiple factors have played a role in States hesitation setting up a legal system- partly due to banking rules, assessing grower quality and licensing, limits with Federal laws but primarily in NY has been how to implement it first by establishing legal licenses and deciding who gets them-while trying to be fair and equitable. Not easy and needs to be structured right so you don’t have to totally rewrite it later if things go haywire. Governing isn’t easy.

And it would’ve likely happened closer to mid 2020 were it not for a years set back due to the pandemic and time spent on lockdown. As is things have been rolled out incredibly fast, and like anything big and new, there will be delays and bumps along the way.

Remember how far we’ve come in just a year:

https://spectrumlocalnews.com/nys/central-ny/ny-state-of-politics/2020/11/18/cannabis-legalization-in-new-york--d-j--vu-all-over-again-

And the worst appearances and skeezy vibe. Makes the city look more trashy and sets up ideal places for organized gangs to target. Already happened in a few places-just last week a vendor got shot from Hells Kitchen during a robbery and 2 shooters got away.

Next phase comes dealer guys arming themselves (already happening in a few shops) and being willing to pull on anyone shady looking.. This is a legit danger where we can quickly sink back to the 80’s style BS with bars on windows, rival sellers fighting for customers, in some places harder drugs, fentanyl and guns being sold too- a normal thing for those using pot sales as a front. For those under 30 this was common at bodegas and delis for ages and are still remnants in a few places. Don’t be naive it isn’t happening again.

Most readers never lived through those times and don’t understand how hard it is to things clean up once guys consider that as normal.