Michamus
Michamus t1_jdk6cx2 wrote
Reply to comment by EatThisShoe in In-depth interview with Gregg Caruso, free-will skeptic by fatsosis
>It's just an explanation of the experiment
In my experience, Veritasium loses accuracy in his effort toward simplicity. I watched the video and learned nothing new and rolled my eyes on a few parts. That's why I prefer just reading the paper.
If you're genuinely interested in the paper, here it is with confounding factors included.
>Strictly speaking, no Bell experiment can exclude all conceivable local-realist theories, because it is fundamentally impossible to prove when and where free random input bits and output values came into existence13. Even so, our loophole-free Bell test opens the possibility to progressively bound such less-conventional theories: by increasing the distance between A and B (for example, to test theories with increased speed of physical influence); by using different random input bit generators (to test theories with specific free-will agents, for example, humans); or by repositioning the random input bit generators (to test theories where the inputs are already determined earlier, sometimes referred to as ‘freedom-of-choice’9). In fact, our experiment already enables tests of all models that predict that the random inputs are determined a maximum of 690 ns before we record them (Supplementary Information).
Michamus t1_jdk1wsn wrote
Reply to comment by EatThisShoe in In-depth interview with Gregg Caruso, free-will skeptic by fatsosis
>Veritasium
lol. Okay.
Michamus t1_jdamlhw wrote
Reply to comment by TheBeardofGilgamesh in In-depth interview with Gregg Caruso, free-will skeptic by fatsosis
>so far
Michamus t1_jd90n5g wrote
Reply to comment by 3good5you in In-depth interview with Gregg Caruso, free-will skeptic by fatsosis
Not really. We just don’t have enough data to conclusively make a claim like that. Especially since historically when claims of true randomness have been made, they’ve turned out to not be the case. It would be interesting if it turned out to actually be the case, though. Once we actually start relying on it functionally, we’ll know for certain if it’s really the case.
Michamus t1_jd8vfyb wrote
Reply to comment by TheBeardofGilgamesh in In-depth interview with Gregg Caruso, free-will skeptic by fatsosis
Hate it or not, that’s very likely the case. If QM events turn out to actually be random, it’ll be the first truly random event we’ve ever observed.
Michamus t1_jd8v6y8 wrote
Reply to comment by Rugged_as_fuck in In-depth interview with Gregg Caruso, free-will skeptic by fatsosis
What do you mean by “responsible for their actions?” If a machine is faulty, we don’t absolve it of blame for creating sub-optimal output conditions. If a person murders someone else, the murder still happened and they still committed it. We would still react deterministically to this event, whether by demanding capital punish enemy, imprisonment, or rehabilitation. You then can look at the conditions this murderer emerged in and see if patterns emerge. If mitigating those environmental conditions reduces the occurrences of murder, then what other conclusion could you draw?
That doesn’t even go into the myriad of data that decision making processes occur prior to conscious recognition of the decision. That is, fMRI data highly indicates that the “sub-conscious” structures of our brain make decisions and then what we call our “consciousness” is informed about it.
Then you have the fact that chemical and physical alterations to our brain structure cause behavioral and psychological changes to a person. For instance, chemical hemisphere separation creates two personalities with two narratives. If a blinder is used, and the one hand gives the other hand something, when prompted the person will make up a story about how they received it. Without separation, the person says they handed it to themselves.
Once you look at things beyond individual decisions, it becomes pretty clear that there’s nothing special about the human brain that could possibly separate it from natural determinism. There’s no “soul” to override our physical brains.
Michamus t1_jd8td42 wrote
Reply to comment by 3good5you in In-depth interview with Gregg Caruso, free-will skeptic by fatsosis
Saying it is truly random has a higher burden of proof than saying it appears random. Sure, it may truly be random, but currently we just don’t know enough to say one way or another. If it really is random, it’ll be our first discovery of a truly random event.
Michamus t1_jd7uzkz wrote
Reply to comment by Rugged_as_fuck in In-depth interview with Gregg Caruso, free-will skeptic by fatsosis
Sure. Why not? This is like saying people choose who they’re attracted to or choose what they believe. Sure, one could speculate about them deciding to be attracted to things they aren’t or believe things they don’t. The reality is that we really don’t actually control either of these things.
When you get down to it, we don’t really control anything. We may soon discover that what we call consciousness is just the communication between our multiple brains. That is, our consciousness is an observer of the brain’s decisions, rather than the controller. In other words, what we consider “self” could just be along for the ride. Purely output from the brain.
Michamus t1_jd7ttar wrote
Reply to comment by 3good5you in In-depth interview with Gregg Caruso, free-will skeptic by fatsosis
We don’t understand QM well enough to know if they’re “truly” random. They appear random, but that doesn’t mean they are random.
Michamus t1_jcnvaux wrote
Reply to comment by Jufilup in [WP] Everyone knows the hero won't defuse the bomb until the are less than 10 seconds left. That's why I've set it to explode at 20 seconds. by Sh4d0w927
I love the headspace you’re in right now. lol
Michamus t1_j99qkjy wrote
Reply to comment by jamesj in Compatibilism is supported by deep intuitions about responsibility and control. It can also feel "obviously" wrong and absurd. Slavoj Žižek's commentary can help us navigate the intuitive standoff. by matthewharlow
It’s also incompatible with the observational data we’ve gathered so far. When we perform fMRI scans of the various structures of the brain and ask the subject to decide between binary options, the decision is made in the subconscious regions and then reported to the conscious regions. This means that when we’re deciding something, our “conscious mind” is told what’s being “thought about” and the eventual verdict, rather than being involved in it.
It appears that not only is free will non-existent, but consciousness may not actually be anything like we think it is. What we call consciousness may in fact just be the communication channels between the various brains that have been strapped on over the years.
Another example is when the connections between hemispheres are temporarily chemically “severed” the hemispheres begin behaving as two distinct minds. When isolating each hemispheres from the other’s field of vision from the other’s, you end up with extremely bizarre behaviors. One such behavior is the subject handing themselves an item from one hand to the next. They’re then asked how the item got into that hand. The response is universally that someone handed it to them.
My personal favorite rebuttal against free will though is “of course the brain would tell you it’s the master of the body.”
Michamus t1_j1wdd1d wrote
Reply to comment by gbbloom in Why don't we plan for more "staging" at orbital platforms? by gbbloom
The rocketry equation includes cargo mass as well. If you increase the cargo of an LEO spacecraft by 100kgs, you're going to need more fuel to lift it.
The best method is to get a factory onto the Moon and then start manufacturing stuff there. All we'd need from that point is to ferry people and supplies for the journey back and forth. As you suspect, leaving the lunar surface requires a small fraction of the energy for leaving Earth. There's sufficient material, including water and oxygen, for lunar colonies to be self-sustainable and generate new craft for industrializing the solar system.
There's an old joke that basically goes: "Once you're in LEO, you're halfway to the rest of the solar system."
Michamus t1_izx560k wrote
You probably won't have to break any tiles, but at most the first one might break. Just scrape under the tiles and give them a good soak in a tub outside. Pull them out one at a time and scrubs the backs with a brush and then rinse them off. While soaking and letting them dry, scrape off all the compound from the floor. The biggest hit here will be your own labor and time, so the loss is whatever you value that at.
Michamus t1_ix9tc1x wrote
Reply to comment by bumharmony in On the advantages of believing that nothing is true by Vico1730
What do you think ‘begs the question’ means?
Michamus t1_ix8iqb1 wrote
Reply to comment by bumharmony in On the advantages of believing that nothing is true by Vico1730
>It only begs the question what truth is
Postulating that truth doesn't exist can't possibly beg the question of "what truth is?" It's addressing it head-on. Not only is Truth not some universal law, it doesn't exist independent of a human mind. It's a construct from which we derive comfort. Even if we decide to assume it exists, we'd have to also conclude it's unattainable.
Michamus t1_isdl4i7 wrote
Reply to comment by verguenzapato in [IMAGE] Everyone's growth looks different by ThePinkParadox
TBH, I don't understand why people flash their money. Just attracts flies.
Michamus t1_irw22pr wrote
Reply to comment by deck4242 in NASA invents ‘incredible’ battery for electric planes by HaikuKnives
A lot of these resources are far more abundant in ocean water than lane. Desalinization is the future. With fusion having been unlocked, (a net return tokamak testing complete, with a newer more efficient design coming online in a few years) we’ll have more than enough electricity for electric cars, desalinization, recycling, and other needs we’ve been neglecting due to energy cost.
Michamus t1_jdkdzoc wrote
Reply to comment by EatThisShoe in In-depth interview with Gregg Caruso, free-will skeptic by fatsosis
>New models will inevitably come up, but that doesn't mean they will be deterministic.
You asked for the confounding factors of the experiment and I provided them from the paper authors themselves. I don't see any point in discussing this further. See ya.