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Metal64Game t1_j9z23z5 wrote

GRRM: "I was pretty much out of the loop After GOT Season 4"

"you get the famous creative differences thing – that leads to a lot of conflict."

I'm not willing to give D&D "dany kind of forgot lol, sansa is the smartest character lol, also we killed off barristan selmy because the actor got sad about it" any slack.

They should've given showrunning over to someone willing to carry things the rest of the way with passion and care. It's obvious they just didn't care anymore, they just wanted to film a bunch of cool battle scenes for a giant paycheck and then move onto something else.

HOTD's success paired with keeping GRRM involved only confirms to me that D&D were the main factor in GOT falling apart post S4. They thought they could do better than GRRM, they failed spectacularly, end of story.

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Metal64Game t1_j9yw7tg wrote

If I had to guess what Stoneheart's "ultimate" purpose is (since it seems like audiences everywhere are just obsessed with that stuff)...

Remember that story Catelyn told about how she hated Jon Snow and desperately wanted him dead?

Jon Snow would've likely reunited with Stoneheart at some point, and we'd seen a conclusion their specific dynamic. Either Jon would have to end Stoneheart's revenge spree out of pity, or Stoneheart would remember her promise to the gods, and finally put aside her hatred of Jon Snow and let him live, against all odds.

But I don't know, I'm not payed millions by HBO to deliver a fucking story rather than cut it to shreds.

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Metal64Game t1_j9yrw7u wrote

Arya fast travelling inside the Frey's castle and killing them all off screen in 30 seconds was easily one of the worst moments of the show.

Revenge in GOT became a cheap quick thrill for the crowd.

Arya became a fake character rather than a real person, an omniscient assassin who could kill the bad guys cleanly without any fallout because that's what the audience loves.

And we lost the best twist of the books after the Red Wedding, which is the reveal of Stoneheart, an insane moment justified by its own merit.

For all your problems with Stoneheart, a million more sprung up in her place because of her omission.

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Metal64Game t1_j9yp6yk wrote

Lady Stoneheart represents revenge the way GRRM intended: limitless, destructive, unclean.

By giving this moment to Arya in a crowd cheering moment, Arya is no longer a real character on a real journey, she instead became an omniscient, fast travelling, can-do-no-wrong dora the assassin.

They removed the best twist of the books post-season 4, then ruined one of the best characters by offloading all that baggage on Arya, and then completely subverted the way revenge is meant to be portrayed as intended by GRRM.

All this... just because Stoneheart might've been a bit meaningless? Lol. At that point, they should've just removed Oberyn Martell too.

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Metal64Game t1_j9ylukv wrote

Should D&D have cut Oberyn Martell because his only function was to get his head crushed by the Mountain?

Lady Stoneheart did serve a function: She was the main person exacting poetic revenge on the Freys. They gave this role to Arya, which is problematic because Arya was already a vehicle for a million other happenings.

It also gave us reasons why Jon Snow's resurrection may not have been a good thing, where in the show it was unambiguously the right decision.

That careful crafting of tension and ambiguity is something D&D forgot to do in the final seasons, something Lady Stoneheart would've given more of.

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Metal64Game t1_j2c60mz wrote

Wrote the Indiana Jones 4 script, Spielberg liked it, George Lucas canned it for Crystal Skull.

Made one the best first seasons of a TV show ever, was fired for it by AMC.

Then made a noir show for TNT, while good, no one really watched it and it got cancelled after 1 season.

And these are the failed projects we know about. I'm not surprised he quit the industry, his talent and time has been tossed out time and time again. I don't know what it's like to make some of your best work only to be burned for it, but at some point you must think to yourself "fuck this shit" and never look back

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Metal64Game t1_iuaajw4 wrote

I agree it was overlong.

The movie is gorgeous and the action/performances are great, but holy christ did it drag on. I felt bored in a way I never did during the nolan batman films.

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