So most of the first part is just absurd and doesn’t even address anything I’ve said really. To jump from me saying “behavior enforced and rewarded by patriarchy harms men” to “I think men who kill themselves are bad people” when at no point have I even discussed suicide, and there are huge gaps that you need to fill to get from A to B just saying “that’s the natural conclusion” isn’t enough when you don’t even understand the point I’m making.

What’s funny about you identifying class as being more impactful than patriarchy is you ignore than patriarchy is a product and tool of class oppression, which is why consciousness is required to overcome these issues, because they are largely products of the contradictions between a class society and liberation, and even seeing that requires at least a basic level of class consciousness and or historical material analysis

It’s almost impressive the gymnastics you are doing well done

The ideas Patriarchy instills in men harms men full stop. That’s the argument.

So you think fighting “the lefts attacks on masculinity” is doing anything about suicide? Have you read this guys post?

No it’s patriarchy’s fault but systems exist on both a systemic and individual level. Individuals can’t do much about changing systems without first changing their mind and organizing with eachother to change systems.

It’s all part of the same structure, interpersonal relationships (I’m not specifying romantic relationships here btw) is just a good example of how this plays out.

At no point have I said this what a wild leap to take. The reason this person sees the left as “attacking masculinity” as a problem is because he sees traditional masculinity as the default rather than something socially constructed and most of the “lefts attacks” are simply challenging that construction as being the default and rather than questioning the legitimacy of traditionalism as the default their reaction to these “attacks” are to dig themselves further into the anti social behaviors that make them already so harmful.

Our society teaches men to treat women as objects. It’s because of this that they can’t have meaningful relationships with women, and it’s because of the lack of those relationships they are unhappy and that reinforces their belief that women are objects. The only thing that can be done about this is conscious self analysis and the raising of consciousness about your own beliefs to deprogram the harmful ideas about human society that people like Tate push that are not new, they are simply the recitation of the default perspective instilled in the west.

Yea actually. Basically it comes down to asking yourself why you believe the things you believe, and where those beliefs come from. You will find that the same structural institutions that men struggle against are the same ones reinforcing their beliefs that make them unable to struggle against those institutions effectively. Being a misogynist makes your life harder, being a homophobe makes your life harder.

I have the absolute best advice for men that doesn’t require a book. Stop being a misogynist. Women are human beings and they aren’t meaningfully different from men so stop treating them like sexual objects to be captured and conquered and start being friends with women, and you will see the quality of your social life increase tenfold. It’s really that simple.