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Ill_Department_2055 t1_itnky2k wrote
Reply to comment by SuperSirVexSmasher in Lab-grown meat could let humanity ignore a serious moral failing by phileconomicus
That's what we call a false dichotomy.
Ill_Department_2055 t1_itnkfao wrote
Reply to comment by SuperSirVexSmasher in Lab-grown meat could let humanity ignore a serious moral failing by phileconomicus
Well, does your monologue boil down to anything other than: "I think humans are special for really vague and spurious reasons, so I think their dead bodies are also strangely and inexplicably special." ?
Ill_Department_2055 t1_itnitpj wrote
Reply to comment by SuperSirVexSmasher in Lab-grown meat could let humanity ignore a serious moral failing by phileconomicus
I don't think you've addressed the issue at all.
Plant "desires", lifeform hierarchies, and murder all are irrelevant to the question at hand of cannibalism.
Ill_Department_2055 t1_itnasfa wrote
Reply to comment by SuperSirVexSmasher in Lab-grown meat could let humanity ignore a serious moral failing by phileconomicus
Okay, you've clearly run out of arguments to contribute meaningfully to the conversation. Let me know if you think of something of value to add.
Ill_Department_2055 t1_itn9ka9 wrote
Reply to comment by SuperSirVexSmasher in Lab-grown meat could let humanity ignore a serious moral failing by phileconomicus
Are you going to elaborate?
Ill_Department_2055 t1_itn8xe4 wrote
Reply to comment by SuperSirVexSmasher in Lab-grown meat could let humanity ignore a serious moral failing by phileconomicus
Yes, but not because of harm done to that person in particular. It's multi-faceted, don't you agree?
Ill_Department_2055 t1_itn7zev wrote
Reply to comment by SuperSirVexSmasher in Lab-grown meat could let humanity ignore a serious moral failing by phileconomicus
Do you think that cannibalism harms that man? Or do you agree that this is another multi-faceted issue where other factors need to be taken into account?
Ill_Department_2055 t1_itn4urv wrote
Reply to comment by SuperSirVexSmasher in Lab-grown meat could let humanity ignore a serious moral failing by phileconomicus
It's a multi-faceted issue. The real dishonesty would be in ignoring that.
>Is it a moral harm to eat a man that died of natural causes?
Not to that man.
Ill_Department_2055 t1_itmy5mw wrote
Reply to comment by SuperSirVexSmasher in Lab-grown meat could let humanity ignore a serious moral failing by phileconomicus
That wasn't your question. Your question was whether it's okay to raise and then eat a cow that dies from natural causes.
A wild cow? Probably also not, if you consider that a wild carcass is part of the ecosystem. But as for what you're really tacitly asking: no, you haven't done a moral harm to the cow per se by eating it then.
Ill_Department_2055 t1_itmv25j wrote
Reply to comment by SuperSirVexSmasher in Lab-grown meat could let humanity ignore a serious moral failing by phileconomicus
Probably not, because the use of resources needed to raise such animals is detrimental to the environment.
Ill_Department_2055 t1_itmu33d wrote
Reply to comment by AllanfromWales1 in Lab-grown meat could let humanity ignore a serious moral failing by phileconomicus
So I guessed right.
Edit to add: You're setting a bar for this article that we obviously don't set for a multitude of other issues, simply because you disagree with it. That's bad faith right there.
Ill_Department_2055 t1_itmt30y wrote
Reply to comment by AllanfromWales1 in Lab-grown meat could let humanity ignore a serious moral failing by phileconomicus
I doubt you make that claim when an article makes the case against human trafficking.
Ill_Department_2055 t1_itmslny wrote
Reply to comment by AllanfromWales1 in Lab-grown meat could let humanity ignore a serious moral failing by phileconomicus
Also, you're using a priori wrong.
Ill_Department_2055 t1_itmsd7m wrote
Reply to comment by AllanfromWales1 in Lab-grown meat could let humanity ignore a serious moral failing by phileconomicus
You already admitted that it is a moral issue. Just because you don't agree with the moral conclusion the author makes doesn't mean it's suddenly not a moral issue.
Ill_Department_2055 t1_itmr96a wrote
Reply to comment by AllanfromWales1 in Lab-grown meat could let humanity ignore a serious moral failing by phileconomicus
Do you have any actual arguments to support your personal view? I agree that we needn't have a morality "from above," but when your critique of the article is that it doesn't support a moral assumption, I would assume you have something more solid and supported to counter it with.
Ill_Department_2055 t1_itmphla wrote
Reply to comment by AllanfromWales1 in Lab-grown meat could let humanity ignore a serious moral failing by phileconomicus
You haven't really supported that argument either, other than simply stating your preferred hierarchy.
Ill_Department_2055 t1_itmnskd wrote
Reply to comment by AllanfromWales1 in Lab-grown meat could let humanity ignore a serious moral failing by phileconomicus
Yes, so, coming back to your original comment, talking about how we ought to treat them very much IS a moral issue.
Ill_Department_2055 t1_itmnnbx wrote
Reply to comment by SuperSirVexSmasher in Lab-grown meat could let humanity ignore a serious moral failing by phileconomicus
Sure, in marginal cases. But arguments from marginal cases don't make good day to day ethics.
Ill_Department_2055 t1_itmncmx wrote
Reply to comment by AllanfromWales1 in Lab-grown meat could let humanity ignore a serious moral failing by phileconomicus
Animals don't belong in any of those categories for ethical consideration?
Ill_Department_2055 t1_itmn11j wrote
Reply to comment by Meta_Digital in Lab-grown meat could let humanity ignore a serious moral failing by phileconomicus
Which is exactly why people are commenting that this isn't philosophy/ethics. Easier to dismiss outright than face something they don't want to acknowledge.
Ill_Department_2055 t1_itnor08 wrote
Reply to comment by SuperSirVexSmasher in Lab-grown meat could let humanity ignore a serious moral failing by phileconomicus
The issue is rather that you seem so uncomfortable with entertaining the notion that humans are not special or unique in moral value that you'd rather stoop to petty insults.
Edit: Sure, go ahead and block me rather than have to have a conversation that brings you face to face with the idea that maybe just maybe humans are not that special among animals and maybe just maybe that means you cannot just go around harming other animals. You'd rather insult me and block me and uncharitably assume I think we should harm humans than raise the status of other animals and think that maybe just maybe you should change your own habits. Just shows to go ya how deeply entrenched your ideology is.