Lesbianism used to be "risque and sexy"

Now it's "We have an unlikable woman in a relationship with another one! Their dialogue is centered around how woke the show is!"

I'm saying Queer Female representation is still terrible for different reasons

Why would Q even want to bang Chakotay. His kind isn't even interested in sex... and if they were.. he could make his own Janeway. He can do anything.

I don't know if I hate Chakotay or Janeway more

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Chakotay is such a bizzare Native American stereotype who's backstories involves Alt Right conspiracy theories about how "Indians are secretly aliens!", he is such a stereotype would have been laughed off the set of TOS, a show from the 60's.

It's really bad considering my introduction to the show was binging DS9 (First time I'd ever seen the show from start to finish, my previous introduction was playing games while my dad had it on for noise when I was a literal child), so coming off the coattails of one of the best written black characters in all of sci-fi (my main man, Captain Sisko) to...

A character who is such an offensive stereotype, I am legitimately surprised he doesn't talk like

"Big Chief say to Chakotay, phaser is weapon of the pale face! Me bring Tomahawk to battle, drink Klingon Fire Water with proud of great hunt and brave spirit of Mighty Andorian Water Buffalo will smile upon Starfleet Tribe after scalping many enemies!"

Like when Janeway treated finding her "spirit animal", like she's getting her nails done at a fucking pre-teen slumber party, I could feel myself dying of cringe, wondering if an adult actually wrote this.

After I learned that Chakotay's dialogue had been written by a Klansman who made up a Native American ancestry to sell novellas about his "Proud Noble Savage people", I must say I was quite shocked. In fact, I would daresay my surprise was comparable to noticing a large ball of fire floating high up in the sky on my morning walk!

And can we talk about Janeway?

I gave up on the show during season 2, my dad (a trekkie in his own right) said "Okay, but you have only yourself to blame for missing out on 7 of 9! She's really awesome!"

The only thing that could have saved the show is if a real native American showed up and killed off Chakotay and then lead the crew in mutiny against Janeway, because holy shit. We finally get a female Captain, and she is either a sociopath or entirely incompetent.

I have never seen a character so consistently inconsistent, to the point where her morals realign depending on "What will prevent her from returning to the alpha quadrant."

In season one, her stance on the Prime Directive (one of the more questionable parts of Star Trek lore to begin with as it means Starfleet isn't allowed to offer humanitarian aide to anyone outside of their inner circle, despite being a post-scarcity faction that could give away an entire planet's worth of Thanksgiving and merely have to let the replicator charge for an extra couple minutes before using it again), rapidly changes from episode to episode.

Janeway either thinks believes it is a shining beacon that makes Starfleet what it is, OR, she thinks it's an archaic primitive ideal not worth the datapad it was originally stored on.

It depends on if following it or ignoring it will get her crew back home, if it will, she ignores it, if abandoning it "just this once" gets them home... oh well, now's not the time to compromise our ideals....

I think the last straw was when Q was all "Look I'll take you back home myself, just help me talk my friend out of killing himself and I can do it by snapping my fingers." and Janeway was like "I'm an immoral monster who hates my crew more than Chakotay's dialogue hates indigenous Americans, if I could kill your friend with a phaser rifle, he would already be dead."

Okay, I may be paraphrasing, they might have pretended that there's a moral argument for boredom being an adequate reason for suicide instead of going full mask off.

Janeway is the true villain of Voyager, and no other character in all of Star Trek is more worth a punch in the face. Hell, if I was stuck in a room with a phaser that had two charges, and Janeway and Gul'Dukat were there, I'd shoot Janeway twice and say "Look obviously Space Hitler did it." if Starfleet asked me any questions.

I have never seen a more two-faced scoundrel in all of sci-fi, and she's supposed to be the hero.

You know I recently rewatched the season where the whole crew comes back to life. And even though it's considered a low point for the series I would still take it over trying to watch the first season of Voyager again

To be fair watching paint dry is better than Office UK

Lets be honest..Red Dwarf was a better show about being marooned in deep space and easier to take seriously

The weirdest is that Red Dwarf and Star Trek Voyager have a similar premiss but the former is not only better but is easier to take seriously because even Lister isn't as thick headed as Janeway or as racist as Chakotay