I was unable to find a map that included dates, however this first picture in the Wikipedia on the Bronze age collapse shows the different incursions from different factions, and from that with a little extra research one might be able to get a general idea of when the cities fell.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_Bronze_Age_collapse

The map I referred to was traced back to this website, of course with the internet not everything is completely accurate or definite, but from this picture you are looking at most of the major civil centers of the world at the time being reduced to nothing, which is crazy to think about.

https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/wp-content/uploads/bronze-age-sites.jpg

No your point absolutely makes sense, it would definitely affect the surrounding area, from general living conditions to things like commerce and navigation in the area I imagine

Idk man I'm pretty sure there are no podcasts that cover this topic

I appreciate all the podcast requests though I'm glad to find more centralized discussions on the topic rather than pulling little bits and pieces of information for this question!

That is a good point, especially in a temple I imagine lying about someone's deeds there would be unacceptable, unfortunately sifting through the simple truth and the whole truth of the matter is the difficult part!

Oh very interesting! This is funny because I see people arguing both ways on the connections between bronze age societies, it's painstaking actually trying to find the truth when there are so many possibilities.

Your answer also helps to answer my question, it is possible Central Europe was impacted and would subsequently impact the Mediterranean, but then again anything is possible. Thank you!

It doesn't sound like this king kept his title very long if I may speak from an outsiders perspective

Thank you for the information, Troy really has been through a lot, huh.

Wait so Tin sounds like it would come from closer to the Balkans, but are you saying there were possible trade relations with places like Germany, or at least that far north?

No it's a good point just another calamity that happened and displaced people!

That was another question I meant to ask, is if there was a more defined timeline as that map leaves much up to question, where the timing is obviously an important factor to determining what actually occurred.

Thank you I will look at this!

Or worse, the Sicilians...

Thank you though I saw it was said that the sea people may have just straight up been propoganda from Ramses II? You also make a good point that the Europeans would not have developed the advancements in sailing needed that would thrive in open water, much less as a formidable raiding force

I imagine much like the Romans with Britain, regions that far away are so different and hard to keep relations with in the same manner, say the Mycenaeans towards the German people. I could definitely see relations with the Balkans though. Something that just came to me is if the Germans had relations with these bronze age civilizations, wouldn't it be much more probable that classical Greece and Rome would have had easier access to the region instead of an area isolated from major civilizations at the time? Just food for thought I don't really know

Thank you! Good timing for me I suppose

That is really interesting, it really does leave you wondering!

First and foremost thank you for your reply, it is far more informative than I had expected to receive asking this question, that said I may have further questions later reading over this again, as there is a lot of information to digest here.

The research that has been conducted and neglected over time, is there a reasonable basis for why it isn't used, or does it simply not fit the more exciting narrative as some of the points you brought up later?

When you speak of the collapse and how it was not a uniform effect across the entire Mediterranean region, do you mean there is no correlation and it was individual events suffered in these regions that appear to us in the modern day more like a chain reaction since they happened so closely relatively from our perspective? Basically there is minimal relation between what occurred in these seperate regions, one factor being the time periods they occurred in?

According to the information you have given, the disappearance of many settlements would be due more to local issues conflicts, rather than an external force (excluding things like the changing climate) and as such outside intervention would not serve as a catalyst to the diminishing civilizations of the Mediterranean which would answer my question generally that there was no event in Central Europe that contributed to the collapse(s) of the Bronze age civilizations?

One question that pops to mind is, the Egyptians took phenomenal records did they not? IF that is truly the case and I'm not wrong about their record keeping what exactly do their records say? Do they only refer to attacks on Egypt from the "sea people" or do they have extensive writings on the condition of other civilizations at the time?

Thank you again for your information, it is appreciated! I am glad to have found so much helpful input on reddit for this question. That should be all my questions based on the information you gave, if I have more I will let you know!

To be honest I don't have a preference either way for whether Central Europe had any influence over the rest of the world at the time, I was really just asking because I noticed trends of people moving from west to east coinciding with evidence through archaeological finds in Central Europe that there has just been a major change in their cultural beliefs of some sort. That by itself is hardly anything to go on, this post is me asking for more information on it since to me that seems to be a weird coincidence in history that there would be a major change in a culture of a region, and subsequent migration of population from that general area with there being no correlation, I'm just curious that's all, no conspiracy theories here

I will look into these thank you!

A mass migration to more populated and thriving civilizations? If say conditions were generally getting worse wouldn't cities be the first to suffer while smaller populations could survive and as such people would vacate cities, or is it the other way around, I am unsure

Will look, thank you!

You are absolutely right I didn't think about the bias that exists with these theories because of the records that exist. Your points also make me wonder how much the Minoan and Mycenaean turmoil affected their counterparts across the Mediterranean, as in whether they themselves were a major factor leading to general collapse or they were victims of a larger chain of events along with everyone else

Along with the other answer it could also be considered a sort of golden age for the Mediterranean civilizations, at least when they were all so prevelant and diverse.

I just feel people talk about a chain of events occurring in the Mediterranean, but there aren't nearly as many answers for what caused the migration and incursions from the North into the Mediterranean. I got suspicious however after seeing there were relics from Europe that indicated the potential for a massive shift in culture in the region, preceding as well as at the same time the collapse of the Bronze age was put in motion, it's an interesting coincidence to me

Definitely looking for source materials, not just theories thank you!

Someone referred to the eruption at Thera that wiped out the Minoan settlement there, by itself however it's tragic, but I wouldn't think devestating enough to affect the rest of the Mediterranean

But were there large civilizations in Europe (Central-North) at the time or was it mainly still comprised of tribes and smaller civilizations?