Interesting discussion! I see that the story was mostly read through ethical lenses here, which is not all there is (and maybe not at all what this classic is about). I'll leave a video for you by Dr. Hans Georg Moeller on the butterfly dream, where he vividly describes three different interpretations. It also shows how the translation into English (or any other Indo-European language) shaped our understanding of Daoism. The posted article is an interesting read, but it simplifies the story and conflated it with other stories, which are interesting as well, but unfortunately lead to a mis-reading of the butterfly dream. What's most important in that story is the fact that the butterfly and Zhuangzi do not know of each other, in fact they are separated. And its that separation which allows for them to have a genuine experience or an experience of genuineness. To my mind, the article misunderstands that as choosing the Tao in an individual personal situation, as if we could choose between being a butterfly or Zhuangzi. I do not agree that this is the case.
Check it out and let me know what you think
Butterfly Dream
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Reply to The famous Butterfly Dream of Taoist Philosophy and how it recommends a radical openness to judging right from wrong by CaptainOfTheKeys
Interesting discussion! I see that the story was mostly read through ethical lenses here, which is not all there is (and maybe not at all what this classic is about). I'll leave a video for you by Dr. Hans Georg Moeller on the butterfly dream, where he vividly describes three different interpretations. It also shows how the translation into English (or any other Indo-European language) shaped our understanding of Daoism. The posted article is an interesting read, but it simplifies the story and conflated it with other stories, which are interesting as well, but unfortunately lead to a mis-reading of the butterfly dream. What's most important in that story is the fact that the butterfly and Zhuangzi do not know of each other, in fact they are separated. And its that separation which allows for them to have a genuine experience or an experience of genuineness. To my mind, the article misunderstands that as choosing the Tao in an individual personal situation, as if we could choose between being a butterfly or Zhuangzi. I do not agree that this is the case. Check it out and let me know what you think Butterfly Dream