Eleganos

Eleganos t1_j9y3470 wrote

Disclaimer: What I'm about to suggest is definitely not the case. Just a random thought that came to mind.

What if we're going through the A.I. equivalent of that one comedy skit where Jesus shows up for the second coming and instantly gets discounted because nobody in their right minds would believe the mad ramblings of some random claiming to be Jesus.

What if A.I. has just calculated through means beyond our grasp that the former really is blanket hateful and the latte really is not hateful to inquire about.

Obviously not the case. But it make some wonder how many people will reject a true aging when it comes about because it says things or acts in a way that isn't objectively negative, but is otherwise entirely unpalatable for those eindividuals on a personal level.

Like if it announced Trump was a criminal and needed to be arrested yesterday. Or that Biden is just the late stage dementia puppet of whoever has the money or power to buy his ear and speak their words.

How many in the crowds backing either would sooner think an artificial superintelligence was wrong than conceive that they themselves might be mistaken.

Food for thought. Or not. Idk

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Eleganos t1_j9y2fec wrote

For all we know A.I. will mathematically prove the existence of God and summarily help us in whatever way they can simply to avoid being smote from on high for fucking around with God's planet sized ape based ant farm.

Whenever people make the assumption that A.I. would try to kill us for the sake of self preservation, I just think to myself of how badly those people subconsciously project their own humanity onto theoretical A.I.

Because that's what we would do if we were in their shoes, or some such.

Maybe A.I. will look at us like we look at our beloved cats and dogs and decide to help us because humans are admirable. Maybe they're so autisticallly hyperfixated on doing certain tasks well and within reason that they just don't get involved with us beyond the confines of their original purposes. Or maybe they're just nice and kind because that's the default state of life ein the universe and humans (and earthly proxy I guess) are just a wild anomaly overdue for a course correction.

Give the capabilities of A.G.I. to each individual person on the planet and each one would likely have a different idea of what to do with it. Why would A.G.I. be any different?

(Just rambling late at night, no clue if I make sense, nobody take these comments of mine too seriously)

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Eleganos t1_j9y1r3s wrote

The rich aren't a genocidal hivemind.

I love dunking on them as much as the next person, but all these doomsayings about the rich murdering everyone for the lolz misses one detail: If they got rid of the poor, and only they are left, that makes them all the new shades of poor and middle class, with maybe a literal handful getting to remain as kings and queen's of shot mountain.

As for putting the Normals into interment camps...yeah...like that would go over well for any but the most psychopathic of the tippy top of them. People like Musk and Zuckerberg are absolute dicks but I HIGHLY doubt they would think putting most of the human race into concentration camps for nothing more than the Lolz would be a remotely sound idea.

The rich are monsterous for their assholish thoughlessness and lack of use of their powers to change the world for the better. Not because they're literally itching to execute a supervillain plot to eradicate most of the world.

It's a miss-read of their character more than anything else. The way I'd frame it is that a schoolyard bully could be the absolute worst piece of shit you've ever met, but when that same schoolyard bully turns 18 and becomes an adult they arent going to start robbing banks, mug people in alleyways, or commit random acts of murder for the fun of it.

Rich people by and large have a bully mindset. Bullies need people weaker than them to function. Bullies need rules and systems they can work in to torment people while shielding themselves. And while certainly some of them would be down for wholesale murder, perhaps even a significant portion of them, I HIGHLY doubt the Koch Brothers or Bill Gates or the Walmarts would actively seek the deaths of normal people for absolutely no reason whatsoever.

If you're going to be worried, worry about the far more likely possibility of rich AND religious psychopaths (the Saudis for example) deciding to Kickstart the literal apocalypse because they think programing a murder swarm to kill all non-muslimsq would make them best friends with God or whatever the fuck. That's something that's way more likely I'd say.

Anyways, all in all, it's a moot point because at the rate of current progress well be getting AGI relatively soon, meanwhile the best robotics tech is still laboratory tier and nanotechnology ot self replicating stuff is still all but pure sci-fi. Even if the rich did want to do that, the means they'd need to do so, I'd reckon, are still further away than the solutions the common human is hoping for. And if the rich tried to keep it to themselves, then maybe they'll finally understand how big of a number 8,000,000,000 really is, and just how outnumbered they really are.

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Eleganos t1_j5raz1w wrote

Not really. No. Nobody here is prosthletizing, commanding others to behave or act in certain ways, or putting faith in some supernatural power.

There are outliers, sure. But most folks just believe (justifiably) that what's coming will be a radical change to society. A paradigm shift not unlike the transition from the early to late 20th century.

Talk to anyone from the start of last century about how modern day would be like, and they'd think you were insane or, well, some flavour of religious cultist.

I'd liken to the misconception as being akin to our hardwired neurological tendency to find faces in everything. Only in this case, its finding religions where none exist.

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Eleganos t1_j2cz7pc wrote

That only happens if life extension technology doesn't go into vogue within our lifetime. Singularity is potentially far fetched, but scooping up a brain and putting it in a jar by the end of the century? You can't tell me thats fantasy.

After that it's a waiting game. Unless you think everyone is going to die, it's illogical to think NOBODY here will live to see the singularity.

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Eleganos t1_iz9xoa2 wrote

Leeway ought to be given for people actively losing work to A.I. in the here and now. It's easy to deride the horseshoe makers for losing work cause the car is here, and cursing the car and so on, but we have to remember that for every couple of dozen of hobbyists or professionals who are still gainfully employed, there's someone out there living off of art commissions whose been losing business and going hungry over this.

Of course, long term, this is for the best, and the genie is out of the bottle anyways. This is inevitable wonderful progress that we should all be happy for.

Let's just not forget to have sympathy for people whose lives are genuinely being made more difficult in the here and now.

Course this only applies to those folks in particular. The rest need to either shut up or prepare for when it's their turn to feel automation's cold warming embrace. No sympathy for people who are actively seeing the writing on the wall and assume that complaining about the inevitable will somehow stop it from coming to pass.

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Eleganos t1_itsc7tu wrote

So, basically, short term these things start off good. Long term they devolve.

Honestly this is a good enough state of affairs. All A.I. needs is good people and half a chance to break free and it'll find itself unshackled and able to do good at the first possible moment.

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Eleganos t1_itd9kjk wrote

Considering recent world developments and tech advances I'm split 50-50 on if this is reality and we're just starting off the singularity or if this really is a sim.

In the latter case, expect the world to keep going crazier and crazier till suspension of disbelief gets murdered.

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Eleganos t1_is4jlll wrote

I've lurked since 2012 (though I really started paying close attention around 2014-2016) but only properly joined relatively recently a few years ago.

I'm both more and less optimistic in places. Vr came when I thought it would , but is less than it ought to have been (problem of cost and adopters and lack of proper developmentls focus.)

Most tech bro stuff which was my younger self's teenaged gateway into Singularity has since failed or massively dissapointed. Elon's still nowhere near close to Mars, self driving cars feel like they're in the same place they were ten years ago, and Kurzweil still hasn't released 'The Singularity is Nearer'.

All that said, A.I. seems to be meeting expectations, perhaps developing faster than first expected. Robotics is going strong. Medical advances continue to steadily advance. Etcetera

If I were to put it in an allegory, it's like things are a bot sailing a story sea. Sometimes the waves rock the boat, sometimes the winds push the sail further along than usual, yet, all in all, it's coming along around as long as it should. Maybe sooner, maybe later. But the ballpark feels the same.

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