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DuckQueue t1_j2ws3t1 wrote
Reply to comment by SnooPuppers1978 in COVID-19 vaccines, prior infection reduce transmission of Omicron: Vaccination and boosting, especially when recent, helped to limit the spread of COVID-19 in prisons during the first Omicron wave, according to researchers that examined transmission between people living in the same prison cell. by lolfuys
> So in the end with all those factors together, unless the efficacy is enough to create herd immunity it's going to be waves with not much differing total amount of cases.
You seem to be assuming that the disease will exhaust itself and run out of people to infect, but as the real world shows, that isn't generally how infectious diseases - especially ones this effective at escaping the immune system - work.
It's only meaningful to talk about the total number of cases up to a given point in time - if you're trying to talk about the total where the number of new infections permamently drops to 0 you're talking about circumstances that might apply to some newly-arising zoonotic diseases but decidedly does not apply to the disease we're talking about.
DuckQueue t1_j2wpnl4 wrote
Reply to comment by SnooPuppers1978 in COVID-19 vaccines, prior infection reduce transmission of Omicron: Vaccination and boosting, especially when recent, helped to limit the spread of COVID-19 in prisons during the first Omicron wave, according to researchers that examined transmission between people living in the same prison cell. by lolfuys
> It's just few generations more.
Like... twice as many. Yes, not multiple orders of magnitude but still enough to make a huge difference, especially when you account for the other factors I mentioned.
And that still wouldn't account for how diseases actually spread in real populations, where not everyone has an equal chance of being exposed to any given other person. There's a reason actual models of the spread of disease are much more complex than the model you're providing. And a reason why observational estimates of the R0 for COVID haven't been appreciably declining over time.
DuckQueue t1_j2wnm2i wrote
Reply to comment by SnooPuppers1978 in COVID-19 vaccines, prior infection reduce transmission of Omicron: Vaccination and boosting, especially when recent, helped to limit the spread of COVID-19 in prisons during the first Omicron wave, according to researchers that examined transmission between people living in the same prison cell. by lolfuys
> After each generation you should adapt the number of potential vulnerable candidates compared to what initial R had.
In the abstract your point isn't wrong, but in the real world population sizes are much larger, resistance is imperfect to begin with, mutation occurs, and we're talking about a disease where previous infection doesn't confer a high degree of resistance that persists over the long-term - like COVID - so that isn't going to have nearly as large an impact as you're suggesting with your example.
DuckQueue t1_j2s4rpe wrote
Reply to comment by compaqdeskpro in COVID-19 vaccines, prior infection reduce transmission of Omicron: Vaccination and boosting, especially when recent, helped to limit the spread of COVID-19 in prisons during the first Omicron wave, according to researchers that examined transmission between people living in the same prison cell. by lolfuys
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Colds and flu have been around infecting humans for centuries or more, which means there is a huge amount of genetic variation to start with. That makes it a lot harder to create a vaccine which is highly effective against all their already-existing variations, which makes it easier for a variant to arise which escapes immune protection.
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COVID isn't an influenzavirus at all. FFS, influenza is a segmented negative-sense RNA virus while coronavirus is a positive-sense, non-segmented RNA virus.
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Not all viruses are equivalent in terms of genetic diversity and mutation rates.
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COVID wasn't bioengineered
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The original COVID vaccines are less effective against the newest strains, not ineffective.
Basically, almost everything you said was completely wrong.
DuckQueue t1_j2s3u5g wrote
Reply to comment by Tricky-Potato-851 in COVID-19 vaccines, prior infection reduce transmission of Omicron: Vaccination and boosting, especially when recent, helped to limit the spread of COVID-19 in prisons during the first Omicron wave, according to researchers that examined transmission between people living in the same prison cell. by lolfuys
> In the wild, graphing cases, it doesn't matter at all
This is wholly incorrect.
If you have a single case of a disease with an r0 of 2, after 20 generations of transmission you've got 2^20 - or just over 1 million cases.
If you reduce r0 by 22%, after that same 20 generations you have 1.56^20 - about 7000 - cases.
DuckQueue t1_j18rgdy wrote
Reply to comment by StarMangledSpanner in Louisiana conservatives consider ban on liberal business agendas by positive_X
"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."
DuckQueue t1_iwlrufz wrote
Reply to comment by CivilizedPsycho in Nickelback to be inducted into Canadian Music Hall of Fame by jameskchou
> Truth is truth,
Yes, that's why I said you expressed malice towards music.
Maybe you should try the truth rather than stanning shit bands and their incredibly shitty songs.
DuckQueue t1_iwlqc8l wrote
Reply to comment by CivilizedPsycho in Nickelback to be inducted into Canadian Music Hall of Fame by jameskchou
> The only two songs of theirs that sound kinda the same are Someday and How You Remind Me - both fine songs. > > Rockstar slaps.
DuckQueue t1_iwlpt1l wrote
Reply to comment by CivilizedPsycho in Nickelback to be inducted into Canadian Music Hall of Fame by jameskchou
No, I'm definitely not.
DuckQueue t1_iwlpj04 wrote
Reply to comment by CivilizedPsycho in Nickelback to be inducted into Canadian Music Hall of Fame by jameskchou
Wow, what did music do that you bear this much malice towards it?
Did music murder your parents or something?
DuckQueue t1_iusz7cr wrote
Reply to comment by [deleted] in Norwegian Man Now Identifies as a Disabled Woman, Uses Wheelchair “Almost All The Time” by ar1680
> I could wake up one day believing that I’m a potato. That doesn’t mean I am a spud.
You just have the brains of one.
DuckQueue t1_j50f1ge wrote
Reply to Farmer speaks out against forcing cows to wear diapers to contain methane emissions: 'Gone to loony town' by NudeSamoan
I like how they pretend this is what the masks are, when it's presumably these, which bear almost zero resemblance to their dumb 'demonstration'.