> Also if you are right, do you anticipate a 4 year break from any legislation?

anything republicans can politicize is paused, practically guaranteed.

> If you're right should have gotten it to the Hill before the election.

Absolutely right, the council is not blameless in this. They took too long fucking around, now we're finding out.

There aren’t enough allies on the hill for the council to do anything. A progressive council will never get a bill past a Republican congress if republicans can just lie about what’s in the bill to get bipartisan agreement to kill it.

It was this bill or nothing for years, and anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool.

Doesn’t matter, they will be the same people posting the “everyone feels unsafe, right?!” comments.

There will never be a moment of introspection 5 years from now when we have the same criminal statutes and no change in crime rate because they just taught congressional republicans that yelling about crime is a winning tactic, with congressional dems dumb enough to follow along.

The point of the proposed bill wasn’t to reduce crime! Pretty easy to understand unless your goal is to mischaracterize the bill’s position…

Why would anyone need to prioritize one over the other? Just unfuck police immunity and you end up with an accountable police force that won’t traumatize the community they serve.

I guess we’re back to Reagan-era crime discourse. The cycle of expensive and ineffective incarceration continues. This headline is what happens when a country is incapable of learning from its mistakes.

Okay everybody, reset the "compares a city to a state" counter back to 0.

You're saying the things that have worked in the past wont work in the future, and the things that never worked in the past will work in the future? And I'm the moron?

Jesus christ, crime posts bring out the dumbest fucking people.

If you wanted to be safe, you would be curious about proven solutions. You wouldn't want slapdash bullshit that has never worked.

I think the people who study this for a living, and have succeeded elsewhere are correct, while you think everyone who studies this for a living and has succeeded elsewhere is wrong.

Which of us has our heads up our ass?

You want to clutch your pearls, Karen. That's all. That's fine, but recognize that's all you're doing. There are proven strategies to reduce crime, and the one thing you're advocating is proven not to work. Yet you want to do it anyways. Shows how much you want to "fix the city."

> I can’t worry about coming up with programs

Good thing nobody asked you to do this, then? Nobody asked for you to come up with anything. Nobody asked for your ignorant opinion.

> I want to get them off the street once they commit a crime.

That has nothing to do with whether or not the punishments should be the same as murder. The crux of that issue is not the term of the punishment, but the likelihood of ANY punishment being applied. The only thing you proposed is literally the thing that everyone agrees doesn't work.

Your comment is so mind numbingly stupid because the effect you claim to want is actually accomplished by the thing you're not proposing. It isn't the term of the sentence that reduces crime, it's the likelihood of getting caught in the first place. Keeping criminals off the street is easiest to accomplish by convincing them that their actions have consequences. Increasing the phantom consequences that they rightly believe they will not suffer does nothing at all. Yet that's precisely what you want!

So excuse me if I don't believe you when you say you want to keep criminals off the streets. If that's what you wanted, you would exhibit a modicum of curiosity about how to achieve that goal, because what you're proposing doesn't achieve the stated intention.

> It keeps the rest of us just a sliver safer.

It doesn't. It makes you feel safer. But it doesn't make you any safer at all. That's what every study on this subject has shown time and time again.

And we know the punishment for murder is a great deterrent, that's why there's no more murders!

Literally the most brainless commentary when crime comes up on this sub. The extent of the penalty doesn't deter criminals. If you think it does, see a doctor, because your brain is missing.

How about kids who are murdering people should be tried as adults, as they are literally murdering people. Kids who are carjacking are literally carjacking. Carjacking is not murder.

They don’t have severe anxiety, they’re just a MAGA nut.

The service is available. It isn’t something that needs to be specifically offered. The emergency shelters A) don’t ask you to document your emergency, and B) at most ask for picture ID. They fill up on a first come first serve basis, but do not require placement of any kind.

They didn’t have to be there to continually be denying the service that is offered you weapons grade idiot.

And of course, the alternative to not monopolize a fucking park is always available to them.

There are empty shelter beds every night. Anyone who couldn’t be reached who was living in McPherson Square has already made the choice to reject the services available to them in favor of living in a park.

Anyone who thinks they’re waiting for a helping hand is either intellectually or deliberatively dishonest.

Yes, most of them refused the help that was offered

But there is no way to deal with a judgement proof tenant next door. What are you going to do about them? “The same way I deal with other neighbors” is as vague as can be.

> I really hope DC government thinks long and hard about how it approaches public safety and the consequences for criminals.

Obligatory reminder that there are complex interconnected reasons why “DC government” cannot unilaterally fix this problem, including but not limited to: out of state populace committing crimes; DC Government having no control over federal prosecutors who handle adult crime; MPD culture of doing nothing while blaming USAO for similarly doing nothing; and of course, because the one thing they can directly control, sentencing limits, has no impact on crime whatsoever.

Well, he wasn’t placed on leave until Feb ‘22, so there likely a whole lot of complicit cops still there, even if he was the only one dumb enough to get caught texting Tarrio.

> Tarrio asked Lamond what the police department’s “general consensus” was about the Proud Boys. “That’s too complicated for a text answer,” Lamond replied. “That’s an in-person conversation over a beer.”

I feel bad for this guys lawyer who has to spin “let’s have a beer” into “my client in no way supports the hateful and divisive agenda of any of the various groups that came to DC to protest…”

Let’s be honest, most will hear the call come in and then immediately get back to their candy crush high score.

No, I am correct. I don't care about your abstract hypothetical statistic city. In DC, the ratio of officers to population stayed relatively stagnant while crime dropped precipitously.

You're talking about a frictionless ice rink. I'm talking real world. DC police do not stop crimes. And that's according to MPD DATA! Who are you to argue with the police when they say their staffing didn't impact crime rates?

More police don't stop murders. Murders overwhelmingly happen between people that know each other. Unless the people who know each other also hang out at a police station, the murder is happening regardless of how many officers are sitting in their cars playing on their phones.

I'm all for more police, but the police we have aren't doing anything. Last time I called the DC police due to repeated sexual harassment on city property their response was essentially to go fuck myself. What indication is there that the additional force will make a difference?

Wanting more police, rather than effective police, is a sign that she doesn't give a shit about this issue.

There is no mechanism to do so. Traffic laws are enforced through fines, and fines for MD or VA plated cars are meaningless.

DC cannot get all the dangerous drivers off the road because so many aren't DC licensed drivers or in DC registered vehicles. As a consequence the policy choice appears to be to not even attempt to get the DC licensed drivers from driving dangerously.

The city is incapable of fixing this issue unless they start a zero-tolerance impound policy. Anything below taking away the vehicle is essentially wish casting, since Virginia and Maryland don't have any sort of reciprocal punishment for DC initiated fines.

District attorneys? We don’t have any.

Prosecutors aren’t elected in DC they’re appointed.

Moron.