Drag0nfly_Girl
Drag0nfly_Girl t1_ja5u1s8 wrote
Definitely drunk, lol.
Drag0nfly_Girl t1_j6g9ngn wrote
Reply to comment by ahkna in Dickens' David Copperfield: Were men more affectionate with each other in the 18th century? by angelojann
Please cite the statements that are lesbophobic & homophobic.
Drag0nfly_Girl t1_j6bnjw8 wrote
Reply to comment by Yrcrazypa in Dickens' David Copperfield: Were men more affectionate with each other in the 18th century? by angelojann
No, you're putting thoughts & opinions in my head/mouth.
Drag0nfly_Girl t1_j6b7n3z wrote
Reply to comment by Yrcrazypa in Dickens' David Copperfield: Were men more affectionate with each other in the 18th century? by angelojann
Jailed, usually, rather than murdered. Murder was illegal.
And you're attributing an argument to me that I haven't made, then arguing against it. At no point did I advocate any particular course of action. I simply presented a sociological reason for the decline of non-sexual same-sex physical affection that was omitted from the comment to which I was responding.
Drag0nfly_Girl t1_j6ayhwh wrote
Reply to comment by maulsma in Dickens' David Copperfield: Were men more affectionate with each other in the 18th century? by angelojann
Yes, I miss the way it used to be. People need (non-sexual) affection & touch, it's so important. Everyone is worse off without it. I personally think the lack of it has a lot to do with the increasing incidence of mental health problems.
Drag0nfly_Girl t1_j6aw2by wrote
Reply to comment by ahkna in Dickens' David Copperfield: Were men more affectionate with each other in the 18th century? by angelojann
No.
Drag0nfly_Girl t1_j6aw17d wrote
Reply to comment by Select-Ad7146 in Dickens' David Copperfield: Were men more affectionate with each other in the 18th century? by angelojann
Yes, very true.
Drag0nfly_Girl t1_j6avzdo wrote
Reply to comment by Yrcrazypa in Dickens' David Copperfield: Were men more affectionate with each other in the 18th century? by angelojann
It was already "demonized" in Dickens' time, so your argument holds no water.
Drag0nfly_Girl t1_j69fwdo wrote
Reply to comment by alaskawolfjoe in Dickens' David Copperfield: Were men more affectionate with each other in the 18th century? by angelojann
Yes, I understand all that. My point wasn't that the words existed, or that it was considered an identity, because obviously it was not. But it was well understood that certain men and women were "queer" and preferred sexual intimacy with their own sex. It was considered a perversion.
Drag0nfly_Girl t1_j694lpx wrote
Reply to comment by alaskawolfjoe in Dickens' David Copperfield: Were men more affectionate with each other in the 18th century? by angelojann
In Dickens' time? Yes, there absolutely was.
Drag0nfly_Girl t1_j690yao wrote
Reply to comment by DeusExLibrus in Dickens' David Copperfield: Were men more affectionate with each other in the 18th century? by angelojann
You're correct, but missing an important factor: there was no need to be "obsessed with not being perceived as gay" in Dickens' time, because homosexuality was closeted and considered unacceptable. Affection between men wasn't sexualized.
Fear of being perceived as gay only became an issue with the increasing visibility of homosexuality & its gradual social acceptance. Normal affection between boys was sexualized. The visibility of homosexuality had a direct negative effect on the expression of intimacy & affection between heterosexual men, just as it also put a damper on things like girlfriends holding hands while they walk (something I remember being normal & common when I was a kid but which gradually ceased when girls started getting called lesbians for doing so).
The sexualization of same-sex affection is what killed it.
Drag0nfly_Girl t1_j68pytu wrote
I strongly dislike this book.
Drag0nfly_Girl t1_j66at8k wrote
Not sure I could step onto that. It would feel almost sacrilegious.
Drag0nfly_Girl t1_ja6615n wrote
Reply to Warhammer: I'm surprised how good it is. by PregnancyRoulette
I just started reading Warhammer 40k books. I'm beginning with The Founding, the Gaunt's Ghosts omnibus. Enjoying it so far. Never played the games, but love the lore & factions.