DowntownScore2773

DowntownScore2773 t1_jb1k19p wrote

I didn’t write total wins trumps championships. I played D1 lacrosse in college. We have a championship unlike football. The NCAA doesn’t sponsor a championship in FBS football. Only recently with the BCS and playoffs is championship awarded via an agreed upon menthol by the schools. Prior there were survey polls like AP, USA Today, UPI, Coaches Poll, etc. that did it for fun and readership. The AP is not a true national championship. With lacrosse everyone knew the rankings were an opinion poll and winning mattered most. You had your ranking in conference and then the championship tournament. Your comment references a one game scenario. A win percentage is a better measurement of success than an opinion poll especially overtime because it irons good and bad years and shows consistency.

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DowntownScore2773 t1_jb03zw7 wrote

That’s true but the title of the chart is most successful programs. Success is measured easily each game regardless of who the team plays. You either win, lose or tie. The team at the end of the year with the most wins is the most successful. The NCAA does sponsor a national championship award for football. Prior to the BCS, the only championships awarded were conference titles. The AP is just one of many polls and is not official. That’s why there are multiple national championship claims for the same year. Not every team is given the opportunity to play in the best conferences and some were independent for years. I think conference title should be excluded now. The most fair way to measure success is win percentage and trend that over time. It removes the recency bias of the chart, prevents the same with win totals, and shows who has had the most success historically on the field regardless of conference.

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DowntownScore2773 t1_jagzpjy wrote

I didn’t say they cared about the schools. The good thing about numbers that are quantifiable is that they don’t care about opinions. The title of the chart is Which College Football Programs have been the most successful? Most successful at what? Winning? That’s not reflected in the chart. That chart shows what programs have been ranked the highest in the AP poll and it weights the playoff selection over the AP poll where there are conflicts. The AP is associated with the mythical National Championship and there is a reason the BCS relied on other polls as well to select the teams that played in the “championship game.” That was so controversial that it resulted in us finally getting a 4 team playoff which was controversial so we got a larger, fairer playoff. So, either the title of the chart needs to change or the data inputs and weighting needs to change.

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DowntownScore2773 t1_jagtxlb wrote

Sorry, this chart is graphically cool but it really bugs me. Success in football is measured easily by wins and championships. This chart should factor in total wins, win percentage, and/or conference championships. The AP poll is an opinion ranking that contains biases that have frustrated people for decades. Weighting the playoffs more will result in recency bias. That’s reflected in the Michigan position on the chart, when they have the most historical wins. It ignores the whole BCS era where undefeated teams like TCU, Utah and Boise State where punished in the polls for not playing in the auto-bid BCS conferences. It ignores schools that won multiple championships in the FCS before jumping up divisions like App State, Georgia Southern, Marshall, JMU. UCF’s undefeated 13-0 season resulted in 2 pts in this chart. That’s kind of bs. Unlike what the title of the chart says, it doesn’t show the success of the teams and rank them accordingly.

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DowntownScore2773 t1_ja9m8xh wrote

This isn’t an entirely accurate statement. Chimborazo is the mountain that is farthest from the earth’s core and closest to the sun due the earth’s centrifugal bulge. Tallest is a measurement from base to peak and not sea level to peak. The tallest mountain in the world is Mauna Kea in Hawaii whose base starts below sea level. Everest is the highest mountain peak in the world. Here is a NOAA site that explains the difference.

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DowntownScore2773 t1_ja9k9q9 wrote

There’s a big difference between tallest and highest mountain. Mount Everest is the highest mountain but not the tallest mountain in the world. Tallest measures from the base of the mountain to the peak. Highest measures the height of the peak. The tallest mountain in the world is Mauna Kea in Hawaii. Additionally, Ecuador’s Mount Chimborazo is the mountain peak farthest from the earth’s core and closest to the sun due to the earth’s centrifugal bulge.

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DowntownScore2773 t1_j99vxt6 wrote

I know this is just the NCAA tournament graph. It would be interesting to see how it overlaps with the NIT. The NCAA tournament wasn’t always used to coronate the national champion. The NIT was the most prestigious tournament for decades. The NCAA tournament would select only 8 teams from specific regions of the US. Sometimes better schools were left out. A lot of the times the best schools declined to play in the NIT because it had more national exposure with Madison Square Garden.

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