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Coachtzu t1_jdrtqjp wrote

Not sure if they still do, but a friend of mine in high school got pulled over and fined for tossing an empty Gatorade bottle out his window while driving. This was 13-ish years ago in a small town where the cops didn't have much else to do, but littler is definitely getting worse. As so.eone else suggested, volunteer for green up day.

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Coachtzu t1_jcfatna wrote

>None of this seems actually profound or useful to me. Saying that the AIs that we build will be alien to our own thinking? To me that, in his own words, is in the laundry list of obvious.

I don't know if I think it's profound either, but I do think it's a healthy reminder. Its a good reminder that we don't really understand these algorithms, and that regardless of how human-presenting they are, they are not human and we can't trust them to act in certain ways. Maybe not particularly helpful, but worthwhile none the less (in my opinion).

>And that I fully agree with but every time I suggest heavily taxing automated jobs as a means to fund Universal Basic Income I have hypercapitalists call me a socialist for believing people should be allowed to live without the need of working.

This has happened to me too, I've suggested exactly the same thing (though admittedly stole the idea from mark Cuban when he guest hosted on a podcast at one point). At this point everything is socialist if it's different than the status quo though so I try to ignore it.

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Coachtzu t1_jcdxi2h wrote

You're cherry picking. He addresses this in the article. We can't afford to be left behind, yet we also don't understand what we are racing towards.

Automation has also already cost jobs. It will cost more. This is not controversial. We need to figure out how we adapt to a world where our work does not and should not define us.

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Coachtzu t1_j77jnm2 wrote

I have Fi, works great and lighting fast in chit county. Works great in central VT where I grew up as well (Randolph area). My GF has VZW and I have consistently better and faster coverage, pretty much anywhere except the NEK.

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Coachtzu t1_j63nuww wrote

You don't need a 4WD SUV, not like you're going up a logging road. Your buddy's car will probably cut it as long as he has good winter tires and you're used to driving in some snowy/icy conditions. The Killington access road is all paved and in good shape usually. Can be steep in spots, so if it's slick out, the tires and familiarity with driving in those conditions will be helpful.

Otherwise I'd suggest getting whatever AWD/4WD with good snow tires you can.

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Coachtzu t1_j5sbyph wrote

I'm relatively young (30) so I could just be a child of climate change, but in my experience growing up here it varies year to year. This is one of the warmer winters I remember, but it's about on par with a winter about 4 or 5 years ago where it was crazy warm. There was a winter when I was in high school that was about this warm as well. Again, could just be climate change, but don't be shocked if 2 winters from now you're freezing your nips off like you were last year and all the republicans come crawling out of the woodwork making jokes like "so much for global warming."

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Coachtzu t1_j0ve900 wrote

Why the hell would you not keep your dog on a leash? Forget other dogs for a minute, there are so many things that could go wrong in an unfamiliar environment. Fido spots a deer and runs off after it for a few miles, and boom, lost. Bear will usually run away too, but if their cubs are around, your dog will likely not come out of that interaction alive and well. Moose can actually be aggressive. Not to mention, usually trails are fairly well maintained, but there is tons of barbed wire, broken glass, and even used needles depending on the part of the state for your for legged friend to get cut on off trail.

I have a dog, I love taking him for hikes and walks, I have no idea why other dog owners find holding a leash so troubling.

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Coachtzu t1_j0nokqb wrote

Seems like you're arguing semantics on the first bit. It was one example, I think it fits the bill of a robot doing a job a human would otherwise have to do, but literally googling construction robots comes up with tons of results.

That is the current iteration of 3D printed homes. You don't think in 10 years there will be any progress? Pretty sure based on the way robots and AI have already shifted so much in the last 10 years, it won't look the same as it does right now.

Some prefab homes are absolutely built by robots, look up the company dfab.

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Coachtzu t1_j0ng7m9 wrote

There are thousands of robots already in existence that make construction jobs easier and roles that required 2 men to lift something now can be lifted by a robot (just one example: https://www.construction-robotics.com/). Houses can be 3D printed. Prefab home parts are able to be built by robots in factories and then assembled by humans in a fraction of the time.

This also discounts the already existing mechanics that while they don't have AI, have certainly displaced workers from manual labor jobs. Look at massive commercial farms, or logging operations. What used to take teams of men going up into the woods or in the fields to get a harvest has been replaced by trucks with cranes that can lift logs onto the bed and get pulled out of the woods, or tractor cultivators that do 14-20 rows at once.

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Coachtzu t1_j0ldxt5 wrote

I largely agree with you, though I think there are a few points I'm not as sure about. The first is that I think we are already seeing humans struggle to retain their ability to interact with live humans in the age of ever-expanding technology. My own experience as a somewhat angst young man in the workforce was that it was actually incredibly beneficial to have to learn how to socialize with people different from myself if I wanted to pay rent. I fear, that if we remove that pressure, there are a solid number of young people who would retreat behind a screen or into a virtual environment and never risk the perils that comes with social interaction. I used to coach basketball, and I was seeing it towards the end of my time in that field (around 2018) where kids had a harder time confronting and dealing with conflict face to face compared to when I started in 2010. I had a lot more breaking up of physical fights in practice, but a lot more cohesion than I did at the end.

The second is that we are barreling towards a point where humans are the product like you said, which I don't necessarily see as entirely bad if handled as getting paid to help other humans, but that likely won't happen. The big issue from a practical sense as well is that as we remove humans from the workforce, they will progressively lose the ability to purchase the product unless we give them purchasing power somehow.

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Coachtzu t1_j0lbusu wrote

I said reimagining our relationship with work, not eliminate it entirely. Though I do think that will inevitably happen for many workers, and we need to prepare for it in some way whether your fears of a communist hellscape are taken to fruition or not.

I think this largely means reallocating dollars towards social value instead of production, the value of teachers and home health workers will be immense, as well workers to support maintenance and repair of our automated lines of production. Still likely need humans as head chefs in upscale restaurants, but you could easily see their prep work done by kitchen robots instead of humans.

But at the end of the day, when you look at the number of jobs in our economy, they're mostly low paying manual labor or driving jobs that will likely be replaced with robots and we will need to reimagine how those people survive without people going into a tailspin over the dangers of communism because the alternative is mass rebellion on a frightening scale.

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Coachtzu t1_ixkjghh wrote

You forgot banking. Used to work in that industry, I'm not sure how protected the data is from something like this, but millions of people could lose their money in the blink of an eye. Everything is stored on servers, it was wild to me there was no paper versions of anything, literally to the point we had to destroy it if it was made.

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Coachtzu t1_ixk8o3i wrote

Strict logic doesn't always work in the real world though. Sometimes you need an empathetic voice in the room. We have plenty of faults governing ourselves, but I'm not sure the AI should be trusted to find answers that aren't necessarily for the greater good, but benefit those not in charge.

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