for the past and present I see what you mean, but for the future we expect the singularity, the technology itself to create more abundance than before, not a specific political system. so when/if that happens, with abundance to spare, then I think a socio democratic system will be the best political solution to implement.

you are very right. nice to discuss about technology achievements and potential, but here looks like a doomsday cult.

You are very right. I hope there will be a substantial UBI for unemployed people or people who do not like to work. But in this subreddit I also notice the suspicious tendency of many people who show disappointment towards the idea that some jobs will not disappear (like surgeons, plumbers, health care and so on). They dont want UBI, they want that UBI will be the only choice. They want everybody will earn the same as them.

northern italian here. agreed, south italy does not belong to eu standards. anyway, with more abundance maybe it would be easier to implement such a system elsewhere.

in my opinion there is a huge hype these days regarding this field. its definitely a very powerful tool, but people here forget politics, social sciences, legislation and so on. When something is very dangerous, society takes action to control the risks.

yes, my reference model is the scandinavian. And I was referring about implementing it in other western countries, like US or Italy (where I am from). I think USA and Italy and an average contemporary developed country would be ready to embrace such a political system.

I think you, as many people in this kind of subreddits, are over reacting. I like all AI and tech discussion, but I am pretty sure in 5, and even in 20 actually, years our lives will not be so much different than now. My life 20 years ago (pre-smartphone, as an example) was not very different than now. Ok, next developments will be bigger, but still I think that most jobs will remain. Probably using AI we will work less hours, 4 days per weeks, and so on.. but we will carry living similarly as today. Don't quit your job, keep going, you'll be fine.

true to a certain extent. with a much deeper knowledge in physics we will in theory eventually leave the planet, control blackholes, move faster than light, who knows... so in the long run we are not bond to Earth only. maybe we will even avoid the heat death of the universe...

well, I was not thinking communism, but a strong form of social democracy where robots are taxed at a very high rate, ubi for the unemployed and so on. But it looks to me that most americans think about capitalism just as it is today in US, which is an ultra liberistic form. In fact US is one of the country in the world with the highest income imbalance among developed countries.

If the social ladder will be completely removed by AGI as you say, the very essence of society will change. When that happens, also political systems change, its a natural consequence. I am european, and its quite natural for me to think this way. But I see that americans are so strongly rooted in hardcore capitalism (the old american dream and bla bla..) that, as the motto goes, its easier to think about the end of the world than the end of capitalism (for the average american Joe).

software like chatgpt just take text and reshuffle it. it may talk about emotions but its just reshuffled text. it does not think, it does not understand anything. its silicon, a piece of plastic. its ridiculous even just discussing about it.

software like chatgpt just take text and reshuffle it. it may talk about emotions but its just reshuffled text. it does not think, it does not understand anything. its silicon, a piece of plastic. its ridiculous even just discussing about it.

Excellent post, I totally agree. I am a big supporter of technological evolution and I believe we can get excellent gains from all these amazing developments over the next few years and decades. Having said that, I see in this sub lots of people that have a kind of "religious" approach. Once upon a time there was religion that promised us to save us from all difficulties and evil and give us eternal life. Now the religious feeling is on average not so strong and widespread as in the past, and we are asking the same things to the so called "singularity". On a more mundane level, it looks to me that lots of people here expect the singularity to level off all jobs, or even actuallly making them obsolete, in the hope of an egualitarian society where nobody needs to work and where many other issues are magically sorted by AI. Well, these are actually some of Kurzweil's predictions to be fair, and it makes sense that a sub called "singularity" refers to this scenario. But from what I can see happening today I doubt its healthy to have all these certainties and expectations over such a short period of time.

Basically there are two positions here. One positive but cautious about unforeseeable developments, and also cautious about the forecasted timing. The other is more cult-like and utopian, expecting in 5/10 years max that society will be completely disrupted. I don't know how it will pan out over the decades, but sticking to the next 20 years I personally don't think at all there will be a huge disruption of society as we know it.

do you see a world populated by millions of atlas kind of robots in the near future?

great explanation, thanks. this is what I was thinking about. I see everybody talks about ai, but robotics is a different game and I dont read many qualified discussions about it in this singularity subredddit. Most people looks like thinking: when we will have agi, the next day all jobs will be gone.

I am not saying we' ll never reach that point. But I am wondering if robotics (not talking about ai) will reach that level and will be widespread in only few decades. We are far away from that at the moment (Roombas can only move in two directions, talking about existing widespread technology).

who will install my oven? my lightnings? my air conditioning system?......

you write "AGI and human-level robots", but I think these are two different things. I see ai doing all great sort of things in the digital domain, inside a video monitor. But when it comes to the physical world is a totally different story. Over a very long timeframe also the physical world will be probably managed by highly advanced robots, but in my view that is very very far from our existing technology. About knowledge jobs, I am also skeptical ai won't pan out simply as a tool for human workers, but as a replacement of workers instead in the short/mid term.

True, and I perfectly know. I cant predict the future. But I still find it hard to believe that in 40 years there will be millions/billions of highly skilled robots (not in terms of knowledge, but of physical dexterity) replacing all human jobs. Its knowledge jobs that are going to be taken over in my opinion.

Would be great! I am just thinking at my electrician anyway... the amount of smooth and fine actions he performs.. the level of dexterity in new environments.. the many tools he carries.. Its hard for me to believe that in all houses, in all cities, everywhere, where now work daily thousands, millions of people, will be substituted by an army of walking robots drilling walls, filling pipes with wires, and so on... in just few decades.

Would be great! I am just thinking at my electrician anyway... the amount of smooth and fine actions he performs.. the level of dexterity in new environments.. the many tools he carries.. Its hard for me to believe that in all houses, in all cities, everywhere, where now work daily thousands, millions of people, will be substituted by an army of walking robots drilling walls, filling pipes with wires, and so on... in just few decades.

if all jobs would be done by robots and we would live in an abundant physical (not digital!) world, I would pursue my passions all day long. Playing music, literature, sports...

in my opinion only jobs in the digital domain will be affected (banking, office jobs, etc). jobs done entirely or almost entirely on a computer. all other physical jobs will be impacted by ai in the sense that they will use ai as an additional tool, but the job will still be performed by a man (electrician, plumber, builder, etc.). I dont think millions of walking robots will take over all physical jobs in the next decades.

in my opinion only jobs in the digital domain will be affected (banking, office jobs, etc). jobs done entirely or almost entirely on a computer. all other physical jobs will be impacted by ai in the sense that they will use ai as an additional tool, but the job will still be performed by a man (electrician, plumber, builder, etc.). I dont think millions of walking robots will take over all physical jobs in the next decades.

This is my first post on Reddit. I have been reading this sub for a while, and really like it. I am excited about the singularity. But I am also interested in putting it in the right perspective.