AudeDeficere
AudeDeficere t1_ja3g536 wrote
Reply to Treaty of Versailles being ‘too harsh’ by -Mothman_
In my understanding the treaty simply did not reflect the actual longterm power balance after the war, aka, the entry of the USA had shifted the situation in favour of the entente to the point where they could temporarily enforce a much harsher treaty that was not really rooted in the actual battlefield strength of France & the UK and when the USA eventually withdrew they were simply not able to reinforce their position accordingly, resulting in the enormous revanchism in Germany being able to flourish.
Basically: the treaty was too harsh but not in terms of its content but because it was fundamentally based on a participant who, for many years, had essentially only wanted to passively profit from the war economically and had practically no serious political goals when it finally entered into it aside from securing its returns which were not a result of targeted funding but the entente dominance at sea limiting the ability of the central powers to engage in trade across the Atlantic.
I know this second part is unpopular but I think that it holds up well when we look the political developments at the time.
TLDR: the central powers were not as weak as the treaty which was enforced with the help of the USA, which resulted in the collapse of the power war system when the latter left the picture again.
PS: a harsher treaty was not possible because the USA understood that if it wanted to dismantle Germany, this would have likely lead to the former being the one who would have to ultimately become involved in an unprofitable longterm commitment to secure half of Europe against Soviet communism, which granted, is quite ironic due to the later developments, not to mention that it’s anti colonial legacy meant that it as not willing to give the remaining European colonial empires all they wanted on the continent.
I would draw a link to what happend to France after the Napoleonic wars - the US-American goal was to establish a balanced Europe, mirroring the actions of great powers roughly a century prior.
AudeDeficere t1_j58ldd4 wrote
Reply to LPT Request: turning 16 this year, what is something i should/shouldn’t do? by yelloroadintheusa
Do not lie about important things.
Being honest with those who are close to you goes a long way to ensure that you can live a content life. On the same note, if people do not know if something is wrong, they can not help you. So go ahead and be brave enough ask for help if you think you need it.
Furthermore, always remember that few people are excellent at many things so be wise about what you spend your time on.
Be curious and try out different things while you can because while you are young, you have the least to loose and the most to gain from making new experiences and new knowledge.
Finally, do not be afraid to make mistakes. Too often we talk about perfection as an achievable status and not an ideal that is impossible to reach because we are only human and many are frequently hindered by the fear of what could happen if something doesn’t go as planned and often, this fear is far more damaging than the actual thing.
TLDR: don’t lie about important things, ask for help, be careful not to waste your time on the wrong things, be curious explore this world to the best of your abilities and don’t be too afraid of failure.
AudeDeficere t1_ja3i202 wrote
Reply to comment by horrifyingthought in Treaty of Versailles being ‘too harsh’ by -Mothman_
Unfortunately, they arguably had no better choice.
France was understandably seeking the maximum reparations aso. they could and the USA obviously wanted to leave the expensive business of actively being involved in major wars / occupations to go back to being a passive profiteer and not an active participant, not to mention the Soviet threat looming in the background.
The UK fell kind of in the middle, not being as vengeful as France and not as relatively speaking, uninvolved as the USA and as a result, they all elected to compromise.
It was honestly a fairly decent outcome given the circumstances but fate ( in a non religious deterministic sense ) had other ideas.